We have all had toxic people dust us with their poison. Sometimes it’s more like a drenching. Difficult people are drawn to the reasonable ones and all of us have likely had (or have) at least one person in our lives who have us bending around ourselves like barbed wire in endless attempts to please them – only to never really get there.
Their damage lies in their subtlety and the way they can engender that classic response, ‘It’s not them, it’s me.’ They can have you questioning your ‘over-reactiveness’, your ‘oversensitivity’, your ‘tendency to misinterpret’. If you’re the one who’s continually hurt, or the one who is constantly adjusting your own behaviour to avoid being hurt, then chances are that it’s not you and it’s very much them.
Being able to spot their harmful behaviour is the first step to minimising their impact. You might not be able to change what they do, but you can change what you do with it, and any idea that toxic somebody in your life might have that they can get away with it.
There are plenty of things toxic people do to manipulate people and situations to their advantage. Here are 12 of them. Knowing them will help you to avoid falling under the influence:
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They’ll keep you guessing about which version of them you’re getting.
They’ll be completely lovely one day and the next you’ll be wondering what you’ve done to upset them. There often isn’t anything obvious that will explain the change of attitude – you just know something isn’t right. They might be prickly, sad, cold or cranky and when you ask if there’s something wrong, the answer will likely be ‘nothing’ – but they’ll give you just enough to let you know that there’s something. The ‘just enough’ might be a heaving sigh, a raised eyebrow, a cold shoulder. When this happens, you might find yourself making excuses for them or doing everything you can to make them happy. See why it works for them?
Stop trying to please them. Toxic people figured out a long time ago that decent people will go to extraordinary lengths to keep the people they care about happy. If your attempts to please aren’t working or aren’t lasting for very long, maybe it’s time to stop. Walk away and come back when the mood has shifted. You are not responsible for anybody else’s feelings. If you have done something unknowingly to hurt somebody, ask, talk about it and if need be, apologise. At any rate, you shouldn’t have to guess.
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They’ll manipulate.
If you feel as though you’re the only one contributing to the relationship, you’re probably right. Toxic people have a way of sending out the vibe that you owe them something. They also have a way of taking from you or doing something that hurts you, then maintaining they were doing it all for you. This is particularly common in workplaces or relationships where the balance of power is out. ‘I’ve left that six months’ worth of filing for you. I thought you’d appreciate the experience and the opportunity to learn your way around the filing cabinets.’ Or, ‘I’m having a dinner party. Why don’t you bring dinner. For 10. It’ll give you a chance to show off those kitchen skills. K?’
You don’t owe anybody anything. If it doesn’t feel like a favour, it’s not.
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They won’t own their feelings.
Rather than owning their own feelings, they’ll act as though the feelings are yours. It’s called projection, as in projecting their feelings and thoughts onto you. For example, someone who is angry but won’t take responsibility for it might accuse you of being angry with them. It might be as subtle as, ‘Are you okay with me?’ or a bit more pointed, ‘Why are you angry at me,’ or, ‘You’ve been in a bad mood all day.’
You’ll find yourself justifying and defending and often this will go around in circles – because it’s not about you. Be really clear on what’s yours and what’s theirs. If you feel as though you’re defending yourself too many times against accusations or questions that don’t fit, you might be being projected on to. You don’t have to explain, justify or defend yourself or deal with a misfired accusation. Remember that.
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They’ll make you prove yourself to them.
They’ll regularly put you in a position where you have to choose between them and something else – and you’ll always feel obliged to choose them. Toxic people will wait until you have a commitment, then they’ll unfold the drama. ‘If you really cared about me you’d skip your exercise class and spend time with me.’ The problem with this is that enough will never be enough. Few things are fatal – unless it’s life or death, chances are it can wait.
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They never apologise.
They’ll lie before they ever apologise, so there’s no point arguing. They’ll twist the story, change the way it happened and retell it so convincingly that they’ll believe their own nonsense.
People don’t have to apologise to be wrong. And you don’t need an apology to move forward. Just move forward – without them. Don’t surrender your truth but don’t keep the argument going. There’s just no point. Some people want to be right more than they want to be happy and you have better things to do than to provide fodder for the right-fighters.
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They’ll be there in a crisis but they’ll never ever share your joy.
They’ll find reasons your good news isn’t great news. The classics: About a promotion – ‘The money isn’t that great for the amount of work you’ll be doing.’ About a holiday at the beach – ‘Well it’s going to be very hot. Are you sure you want to go?’ About being made Queen of the Universe – ‘Well the Universe isn’t that big you know and I’m pretty sure you won’t get tea breaks.’ Get the idea? Don’t let them dampen you or shrink you down to their size. You don’t need their approval anyway – or anyone else’s for that matter.
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They’ll leave a conversation unfinished – and then they’ll go offline.
They won’t pick up their phone. They won’t answer texts or emails. And in between rounds of their voicemail message, you might find yourself playing the conversation or argument over and over in your head, guessing about the status of the relationship, wondering what you’ve done to upset them, or whether they’re dead, alive or just ignoring you – which can sometimes all feel the same. People who care about you won’t let you go on feeling rubbish without attempting to sort it out. That doesn’t mean you’ll sort it out of course, but at least they’ll try. Take it as a sign of their investment in the relationship if they leave you ‘out there’ for lengthy sessions.
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They’ll use non-toxic words with a toxic tone.
The message might be innocent enough but the tone conveys so much more. Something like, ‘What did you do today?’ can mean different things depending on the way it’s said. It could mean anything from ‘So I bet you did nothing – as usual,’ to ‘I’m sure your day was better than mine. Mine was awful. Just awful. And you didn’t even notice enough to ask.’ When you question the tone, they’ll come back with, ‘All I said was what did you do today,’ which is true, kind of, not really.
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They’ll bring irrelevant detail into a conversation.
When you’re trying to resolve something important to you, toxic people will bring in irrelevant detail from five arguments ago. The problem with this is that before you know it, you’re arguing about something you did six months ago, still defending yourself, rather than dealing with the issue at hand. Somehow, it just always seems to end up about what you’ve done to them.
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They’ll make it about the way you’re talking, rather than what you’re talking about.
You might be trying to resolve an issue or get clarification and before you know it, the conversation/ argument has moved away from the issue that was important to you and on to the manner in which you talked about it – whether there is any issue with your manner or not. You’ll find yourself defending your tone, your gestures, your choice of words or the way your belly moves when you breathe – it doesn’t even need to make sense. Meanwhile, your initial need is well gone on the pile of unfinished conversations that seems to grow bigger by the day.
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They exaggerate.
‘You always …’ ‘You never …’ It’s hard to defend yourself against this form of manipulation. Toxic people have a way of drawing on the one time you didn’t or the one time you did as evidence of your shortcomings. Don’t buy into the argument. You won’t win. And you don’t need to.
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They are judgemental.
We all get it wrong sometimes but toxic people will make sure you know it. They’ll judge you and take a swipe at your self-esteem suggesting that you’re less than because you made a mistake. We’re all allowed to get it wrong now and then, but unless we’ve done something that affects them nobody has the right to stand in judgement.
Knowing the favourite go-to’s for toxic people will sharpen your radar, making the manipulations easier to spot and easier to name. More importantly, if you know the characteristic signs of a toxic person, you’ll have a better chance of catching yourself before you tie yourself in double knots trying to please them.
Some people can’t be pleased and some people won’t be good for you – and many times that will have nothing to do with you. You can always say no to unnecessary crazy. Be confident and own your own faults, your quirks and the things that make you shine. You don’t need anyone’s approval but remember if someone is working hard to manipulate, it’s probably because they need yours. You don’t always have to give it but if you do, don’t let the cost be too high.
After reading this, it makes me wonder which among of my friend or I who is more toxic because of our personalities. Both of us are aware of our own toxicities, has egocentric side, can mingle with people if we needed to, and has different kind of approach how to comfort each other. Although, lately, I’ve noticed sudden distance and building she been doing and the stuff she knew it would pisses me off and I didn’t say anything at all regarding to it and just let it past, but ‘sometimes’ I do the same thing that pisses her off to retaliate. I bear it for almost one and a half year because I wanted to keep our friendship knowing my friend’s true nature. I accepted it because that’s how she is and I’m confident I could handle it because of my habit of constant adjusting around people. But when I reached to my limit, I had realised I’ve been doing the same thing to her these past months that almost affected my mood and appetite as well. When I had a breakdown, I just kept it all to myself, distance myself more and has a little conversation with her even though I can see she’s trying to make a conversation with me. I’m responding to it, but less words coming from me because of already unstable mood I had during that time. I didn’t want to drag her, but I forgot my friend is just like me who can easily read moods and didn’t even realise it was affecting her as well until we decided separate for the mean time until both of us get stabled again.
I have trust issue with people and she’s the person who almost know everything me. She knows me more than my very own family. It might be cold for others, but deep inside it’s a heartbroken.
Is still still worth saving or just go with the flow? Act like nothing happened?
If you’re wondering if I’m regretting of what I did? Surprisingly, not. I got tired of always adjusting for people and when you shows your true self, they just always see your bad sides. I wanted to take care of myself that’s why I tried to distance but it backfired on me. I’m not quite sure anymore if our friendship would remain still the same once we see each other again. But I will be honest, I still misses her and our old times.
please help, me i use to help others… because i love to so, after helping i just feel like that i have done a great job…. whenever someone gets trouble whether my enemy.. they just come towards me, and ask indirectly… like telling everything about the situation.. and look in my eyes, i don’t know what but their eyes hypnotize me to help them…. when i help, for that moment they become normal but after that they become toxic behind my back, they never confront me… i feel very sad for that… every time whenever something is wrong with relations, i have a genial habit of saying thank you and sorry… but i think that habit destroyed my life… that made them to think that every time i make mistakes because i tell sorry and it have been since 9 years… should i leave their friendship and move on, THAT’S MY QUESTION because every time whenever this happens i think about the events again and again… and my full focus get loss… made me to think i made mistake… i just tried to make things as it is but, becoming burden on me… I TOOK DECISION to leave them and start my new life because you see it have been 9 years and i can’t change them… in new relations i will make my life as i want… but, I WANT TO TAKE YOUR OPINION since you are a expert am i doing right…
This is the best article I have read on this subject…I recently let go of my toxic best friend of 6 years..I came to the sad relization they will never change and that they enjoyed being cruel to me for years.. I can’t evolve as a person when someone I care about makes it their job to cause me stress and anxiety while they laugh and get elated from the drug of being in control of someones feelings…it’s like heroin to these people..and the only way they are going to stop is if you stop giving them the needle….since I let my friend go on his narcissistic way I’ve felt a weight lifted off me…feel better than I have in years…
Oh heavens, #10!!!!! I get so tired of people listening for the words they want to hear and ignoring what I’m saying. Or people who — almost before the last word is out of my mouth — making a personal criticism that has nothing to do with what I was saying. So I just stop talking to them and go do productive things — and then they get mad because they didn’t trap me into some kind of breakdown. Shaking my head in disgust.
So basically what I am saying, I am in another country thousands of miles away. I have tried calling no reply from anyone. I have tried to constantly ask just what is going on, not wanting details but where he is been held, no reply. So I am left a person who has been in a relationship with this man for near to ten years wondering, what is going on. I have no person to ask, what I have done is contact and organisation that helps those who have family and those close to them incarcerated, the lady told me, its not that easy to find out where the person is, because they not obliged to give out that information its up to the person who is incarcerated to do so. My question to him would be, if you could post right up until just after noon Canadian time on your facebook that “God must just help you and you in need of prayer” could you not at the same time, write a quick inbox message to me and say without giving details what is going on. You had time to post a wall poster but you could not do just let a person who has been nothing but supportive, loyal and understanding know…………. how sad and look how people like this keep you “right there” when its convenient for them, they basically keep your life on hold and who allows it the victim……………. sad indeed, so to date a week has passed I have no idea where this man has disappeared to, and if he in fact in jail, its very easy to stay off facebook, especially has whoever was saw what I wrote possibly not realising you can be off chat but it will still indicate when you were last on line just saying, this article made a lot of sense, we allow toxic people to destroy our lives and if a person is sitting racking their brain as to why people do these things and act the way they do, its because you not one of them
So agree with this article, well written and explains so much. Have been in a relationship with a man who immigrated recently to Canada. He has much going for him however, after I had visited there recently, I started to note a change in his behavior. He constantly makes me feel like I owe him something, although when confronted he will state “I owe him nothing” I am certain his cheating on me with females he has picked up in pubs there. It goes about him. If he is in a bad mood then I do not hear from him and if I do immediately he will project what he is feeling onto me. He talks about himself and all his issues all of the time, everyone else is to blame except him. He recently told me that his “ex wife” who cheated on him several times right throughout their “so called marriage has once again returned asking if she could live down in the basement as her boyfriend of over five years kicked her out. The same woman who almost caused him to commit suicide. Recently he lost his job of near to 27 years. I found out he is now drinking heavily, he blames his drinking habits because of all the issues others have caused him. He constantly questions me about my life, things like do I have a new boyfriend but I hear little about his. Recently he started calling me only on weekends, stating he cannot call in the week as he keeps the lines open in case of any job offers. I did not believe him. So I asked him in an email just that, why are you only able to call me on weekends now when previously for the last ten years you were able to call at anytime. Immediately I got a reply from who knows, someone who grabbed his ipad, stating because he has a live in girlfriend of a year and his ex wife living down in the basement, I then noted that he had posted he was at some pond in Grandin in the early hours of the morning. He lated stated it was because this tenant who I knew nothing about believes they have a relationship with him bu they do not, they have assault charges against him which are false, they have smashed his cellulars in the past and his previous ipad and his life is a mess, his ex wife has dirt on him as does this tenant so he wanted to end his life and they wrote that message, whoever they are. Just thee other day I get an email from his account apparently written by his daughter stating “my dad is asking for your address so he can write to you, his in jail right now” (I recently moved so he would not have that new address) I reply and give my address and ask a simple question please tell me in which facility your Dad is been held, is it in the Edmonton Remand Centre. To date I have received no replies. However on that same day I received the email, I noted that he had once again gone into his facebook account, because even if someone is not on chat you can still see when last they were on facebook. So I wrote on my wall “how is it possible that anyone can be on facebook when they supposed to be in jail” I mentioned no names and later deleted it. Since then I have not seen any further activity or indicated that he has been back on facebook. It makes no sense. If he wanted nothing more to do with me, why ask for my address, why be so cruel and say you in jail if you possibly not. He had called me just a few days prior to that and never once did he mention his on his way to jail on a saturday afternoon as well. He did tell me he has a court case in June for thee assault charges, the reason why he is calling me on weekends only is because apparently the so called tenant goes to jail as part of their sentence on weekends. Basically this person I have only ever been supportive towards, loyal and understanding and what i am trying to get across here, is look how I am manipulated, treated like an option, lied to, ignored when I ask out of concern a simple question. Who has allowed it only me, sad indeed that we put ourselves second allowing others who are this way to believe that is what we are worth……… just saying.
Suggestion: Stop and block him. He’s dragging you down. Run and never look back because you owe that to yourself. This person will only drag you down thus robbing you of the commodity of precious time. One life, yours so chose wisely and dismiss guilt – it’s a total waste, serves no positive purpose. Your precious time is a gift so squander it on people who cause you grief. You can’t fix them; you can only improve and evolve for the better. Make up your mind and don’t let anyone talk you out of it despite their good intensions – they are being sucked it as well so recognize it and move forward regardless.
I might to say “Don’t squander it on people who suck your energy dry”.
Be grateful you are aware enough to see the disfunction because you have a chance to wake up & get to peace, serenity & happiness. Most toxic people don’t get help because we are not evolved enough to know how to help them. I am grateful to the toxic person in my life that literally woke me up & showed me the confusion, emotional pain & disfunction I was living in & looking for. I now have a chance to live a life with clarity & purpose.
This has to be the most comprehensive article on toxic ‘friends’ I’ve read. I ditched my toxic friend a year ago and it feels great. I was dreading seeing him. Everything I said was wrong and he was incredibly judgemental.
The last time i saw him was in the pub and he was very rude so I just stood up and said See you later, and left. He texted to say he was worried about me. I replied I’m fine mate, I think you should be more worried about yourself.
He’s made various attempts to contact me and I’ve ignored them all.
It’s his poor wife I really feel sorry for – the way he spoke to her was appalling.
I live with a sis inlaw who makes every attempt to demean me. She has complain about everything I do to her husband, she will lie to him. She will behave nasty with me and behave very nice with any guest who comes home. She will pick fights and when I get angry she will go and tell the whole world on how I’m the bad girl .She won’t do any work at home and make my mom do the work but when any person comes home she will do work to prove she’s doing all her duty. She acts very nice in front of people but mentally tortures my mom and me and nobody will believe us as she acts nicely with everyone else. IF you do any work she will come to fight that it’s not done properly and then when u don’t do any work she will complain to the whole world that you are not doing any work and shes the one doing all work and how we are exploiting her. How can you deal with such people. My mom has no option to move out of the house and this woman wont leave the house either. She makes my mom and dad do all the work and she will lie to the world about how she takes care of the family. She only does what she feels like and if you don’t work according to her whims she acts nasty
Secretly use a recorder and record how she acts.
So, let me get this straight. Your Sister in law, sil, is married to your brother. The live in a house with you and your mom. Can I ask what circumstances brought on such a living arrangement? I don’t believe this is a healthy environment for any of you. If they are married, 8 would think 5yey would be a lot happier living somewhere else, alone/together.
Your sil doesn’t seem happy, and who could blame her while living with her mother in law, sister in law and husband. It sounds to me, she knows she is being a complete bitch and feels quilt for not doing her share of the work and for talking shit. Someone’s or something has got to change in order for your mental health and sanity, thisnegative situation will impact your health, mood and personality. If you can’t move to break free from this, your other option is to ignore her. Who is the world she tells bad things to? If they’re people who know you then they also know you are a good person and pay your way thru helping w chores, doing them correctly and being there for your mom however, does it really matter what she tells the world? She’s not going to change so you’ll have to be the one. If I were you, I would have to stand up for your mother. She is the elder lady of the has the tight to be respected and treated with respect. So do you. But first, start by speaking up for you mom. Next time an 9ncident happens, stay calm, and tell this bitch, uhmmm, this is my mother you are speaking to. This lady deserves and gets respect while living under this roof. Try to stay put of her way. She is deceitful and seems to me she will stop at nothing to get her way and feed her angry soul. But, I think you should stick up for yourself. And when she tells the world lies, don’t get pissed, just laugh and act like it doesn’t bother you. She’s doing this to get a reaction out of you. Make sure you do your best and don’t be concerned what she says or tells anyone. The world probably already knows she’s a joke. If she quits getting any reaction she just may quit acting as she does because there won’t be any point to. Let her drowned in her own hate and quilt. I know it’s hard, but keep your chin up because you are the better person and I bet a lot more people can see right thru her, more than you think. Good luck, stick up for your mom in a calm voice even if she continues, you again did the right thing. Then just ignore the pos
Don’t fall for that crap! I know easier said than done, however once you over come the apprehension, it’ll get easier even if it’s uncomfortable at first. Be classy, subtle and eventually you’ll gain the upper hand. If you need to stoop to their level so they can understand as a last resort, do it smart. Some people are very dense and it’s pathetic additionally they are not evolved and will sadly remain in their own self made misery. Make a promise to yourself as many times as you’re able to be kind to yourself and cut yourself some slack instead of letting someone else who doesn’t really know the real you, define you. YOU’RE WORTH IT! Be your best friend and kind to yourself and if you make what you perceive as a mistake, be grateful you learned a lesson you can choose not to repeat.
Hi,
I just left a workplace which was totally toxic along with a lot of the people in it.
I worked for 11 months for some one who I genuinely thought of as a friend. We seemed to have same sense of humour and a lot of the the same view points on thing happening. I noticed occasionally how I often found myself watching this person I thought of as a friend and found myself thinking, I bet they talk like that about me when I’m not around too. I mentioned this and was assured they didn’t say anything against me, but I was never 100% convinced.
When the decision for me to leave was discussed their behaviour towards me was awful. Suddenly they couldn’t seem to be in the same room as me and found it difficult to speak with me. Even after agreeing I was being more than reasonable in my behaviour I was still being ignored/suddenly our sense of humour or anything else was poles apart.
The last twist of the knife was the day I left they totally ignored me, didn’t even say goodbye or thank you. I got a late text to say the meeting (normally not attended) over ran and and they had wanted to thank me for all “we” had achieved. What I saw was 1. This so called friend could’nt even choke out in a text the word “sorry”. Thanking me was for what “we” had achieved thereby not even giving me credit for things they had not part in.
I was so disappointed and hurt.
I’m left feeling as though I trust the wrong people and need to not trust anyone ever again because I must have terrible judgement.
So did my husband. HE had a attitude, He didn’t do his work and the supervisor was involded writing up
, the clincher after 5 years was he said My husband TRIED to run him over. 15 ft away and the speed limit is under 5 mph. He was there to help finish while he watched the football game. Finally My husband. He cheats, steals, and lies and gets away with it. He goes home on breaks. My husband quit and has never been happier!
I’m emotionally exhausted trying to please my fiance of 12yrs,he is never wrong, he doesn’t apologize, he does not understand me or my pain. He twists my words and stick to how i talk to him.if i have complain about something, he never acknowledges instead i have to apologise that is after a week of not talking to me like I’ve done something wrong,i can’t be angry at him,i can’t tell him if i don’t like anything nor happy about something because he will say then let’s end things.when he will hurt me in every aspect emotionally and blame it on alcohol or he will say i dnt treat him well that’s why he angry and never own to it.im now in a position where im exhausted i have ran out of excuses to make for him to heal my heart.yes i love him, we have 2kids and experting the 3rd one.but im not happy at all and scared he will never change.
All I can say is, “WOW”…this article really resonated with me, especially the part about “bending around ourselves like barbed wire”. That is so me. All through the article I am saying, “yeah, that’s him…” (my husband) or “yep, that’s Shaun…” He is all of these things in the article. All of them. Eight years now I have been bending over backwards trying to please him and keep him from getting angry and it has never worked. I do believe I’m crazier being caught up in his viscous cycle of him being him. Regardless, it hurts a lot….never being able to share happiness without a consequence or let down my guard without it being held against me a month from now. The only way I know of handling it is giving him the silent treatment with “I hate you” stares. We’re doomed.
Silent treatment wish that worked for me. That would only make things worse.
Book called “We need to talk” is really good. Holding it in gets you sick.
It does make you sick. For a year I have been dealing with a male best friend who suddenly will not talk — won’t text back, call… If he does it’s very random. He had some things that happened with his health and he has just been different. Well I took this on and each time he wouldn’t text back, I was very upset. I refused to admit this to him until I saw him in person. I ended up in the emergency room after a horrible night … He still doesn’t know that part of the reason I was there was because of him hurting me mentally. He came back around after but then had more medical issues and now he is so toxic. I’ve asked for his help with some things and he won’t call back or reply to my texts. But, he will suddenly text about random stuff a week later. It’s so sad and frustrating . I don’t know what to do with him..:(
This is what I was looking for trying to understand my “friends” let me explain the pickle I am in basically were talking about something and my friends tell me things that are simply not true due to my interests into the subject matter is a favorited pastime of a hobby but then because my “friend” found out I am correct blurted out I know everything in a sarcastic tone and now any answer I give to any subject matter I am followed by the same response reading from what this article said has given me some insight to there bitterness.
Everything I seem to do I feel there messing with my words apparently projecting a twisting everything that is said but I did once respond in kind not a good choice but apparently what I did being the same as my “friend” is uncalled for but apparently its fine that they do it in some sort of double standard…
I am starting to think I might need to cut off from my so call friends..
Yep, know how you feel. Met many of them. It’s something that happens in high school and some friends of mine have a name for it, but besides what you’re saying, that name only applies if your friends dropped out in the first year of college. That’s because the behavior they got away with in high school doesn’t work in college, and rather than learn to behave differently, they drop out. But if that doesn’t describe these people, then that’s not them. Save yourself!
Every single point describes my ex-wife to the absolute dot on the i. Mind blowing. Thank you so much for this article! This woman is soon to make me completely crazy as she manipulates, controls, interrupts a conversation because I don’t have the right tone, or because my arms are crossed (this is seen as threatening to her), or because I don’t sit close enough to her (“proving” I don’t want to communicate). You’re helping me greatly cutting her completely off of my life.
Been there!! This is spot on for my ex. Every single one of these. 7 years!!!! I went from being sure of myself and knowing who I was to not knowing whether to scratch my watch or wind my bottom. He almost destroyed me. I really thought I was doing everything wrong. It took years for me to be able to return to myself. This article would have saved me a lot of grief. I hope it helps those who are in these relationships now.
Omg this is the first article I read that explains what I have been through accurately! 4 months since the last argument happened between me and my ex. I have obsessed ever since if it was me, and when I remember how he treated me I feel rage..at first he was a charmer, too good to be true not for too long he started to change.. he succeeded convincing me that I am responsible for his change. . and by time I got weaker and he succeeded breaking my self esteem.. if u wanna know what happened this article explains it all.. it took me way too long to make a choice to leave, the choice was hard at that time as I felt I needed his approval for some reason! but I left anyway.. broken ! I keep thinking it over and over.. since then I got a better job, worked out, did all the positive things and still can’t get over it!!!!!and can’t forgive myself to let him break me that way! I wanna stop thinking and get his poison out of my mind! I don’t know what to do!
All the trauma he put you through could have binded you more to him. This happens through ‘trauma bonding’. What happens is that when we react emotionally to the toxic confusing way they talk & behave, our bodies make chemicals & we get a kind of high…albeit a negative & toxic high. Our bodies do not care if it is good or bad chemicals… It just becomes addicted to them @ craves more, so makes us want the person or thing that gets the chemical we are used to. I am not sure how we get over the addiction even when our brain lodgic realizes we should stay away from the toxic fix, our bodies crave it so strongly that it takes over our lodgic & even our emotional intelligence. I have many regrets over my addiction (my toxic boyfriend) who I have made so many exceptions for. I feel untrue to myself. I go to CODA meetings, but still have not had the strength to end this relationship that is very unhealthy for me. It seems my boyfriend may have no capacity for empathy & so thus may be a psyco or socio-path or just have brain that is like a toddler’s in emotional reasoning. I have gotten a little bit of information in my research from Melanie Tonia Evans & Lisa A Romano from youtube.
Everything you wrote makes total sense. I’ve been thinking this whole time no one understands my pain or what I’m going through on a daily or even weekly basis and after I read what you wrote it gives me strength even though you or I haven’t left them YET we are not alone.
Wow this makes complete sense!! This explains why I can’t leave my current relationship. No matter how much he hurts me I can’t seem to get away from him and when I try, it just makes me miserable 🙁
Psychology class that I am now* taking.
What do you do when you’re the toxic person? I read this expecting to see my partner all over it, but it turns out he’s only two of these, while I’m the other ten. Through a psychology that I’m not taking, I’ve also realized how these factors have contributed to me sabotaging my own relationship, because in my head, I was 100% right for what I did, but now I’m seeing I was constantly wrong. I want to change, but I don’t know how.
Max if you realise that you are the toxic person, it’s about changing a little bit at a time. It sounds as though you have great clarity around this now, and around the things you might be doing to sabotage your relationship. All change starts with awareness – and you have that. Make small changes, one at a time. If you try to make sweeping changes the temptation will be to run back to what’s familiar. I love that you are so open to your impact. Once you are aware of what you are doing, you can’t be ‘unaware’.
Start by asking the people you are close to and who you trust what they would like you to do differently. Make sure they are people who have your interests at heart though. You don’t want people changing the strong, beautiful things about you that don’t need to be changed – and you have will plenty of those things.
I would say, be honest with your partner and if you realise that you just did one of these things, apologise! i.e. “I just realised I’m blaming my own mood on you, sorry” (or whatever it was).
I’m literally in tears as I type in this message, I’m not sure whether I’ve been in a toxic friendship or not but the truth is, I’m heartbroken. I had a best friend of 4 years, I trusted her,loved her so much, and she did the same in return. It’s been 3 days we haven’t talked, we work together, stay in 1 apartment mind you. she wronged me and she won’t apologise. It’s really hard for me to cope. I even considered taking a leave from work but I see it won’t help me a bit. I don’t even sleep at night thinking about the next day. I invested a lot in that friendship it’s even hard for me to move on. please help me I want to be happy and live my life again .????
Letty it’s not unusual for even the strongest relationships and friendships to have a make it or break it point at some point, where things seem stretched to the limit. This doesn’t mean it has to end. It sounds as though there is a lot of hurt and high emotion. If she has clearly wronged you, it’s likely that she is feeling a lot of shame and isn’t sure how to deal with this or how to approach you. It’s impossible for me to say, but could it also be possible that your friend has a different perception of what has happened. I can hear the pain you are in and I wish this could be different for you, but the safer you can make it for her to discuss with you what has happened, the more likely it is that things can be sorted out. I know how difficult this is, but it may be worth it if your friendship is still worth saving.
My mom rejected all my gifts and refused to use them, even an air conditioner she asked for. She fought with me when I graduated from Bachelors Nursing Program and I had to beg her to attend. She went and loaned my boyfriend a few dollars for flowers then hit me until he paid up. She at times did not have enough food, so she fed the rest while I had to back out. When I cried over boyfriend issues and asked for a hug she socked me in the stomach. She bad-mouthed me to my boyfriends and bad-mouthed them to me. I was pushed down the stairs when I grocery shopped for her and she accused me of forcing her to cook the food I purchased for her. She took me off the will and I was the only daughter that took care of her when she let me. Cousins interferred and would call her up and shout at her to push me down the stairs and she did. She then made false reports with my sister to the Police after she socked me in the stomach. I loved my Mom the most but have no understanding why she treated me so different than my sisters when for years I tried to help her.
I know is really hard for you not talking to her but believe me iahm sure she feels the same way but she might be pretending she is ok and that she doesn’t need you and that she didn’t do anything wrong and she shouldn’t apologize believe me i know she is hurting too but has too much pride to addmit she was wrong don’t give in let her come to you and addmit she was wrong and offer an apology believe me if you cannot sleep neither does her just calm down and if is meant to be things will work out and if it doesn’t she will never forget all the great memories you and her had and all the beautiful things you did for her she has to addmit it that you are a great person good luck and chin up? believe me right now she is most likely dying to talk to you but is her pride but iam sure she will look for an excuse to get back to you!!!
literally i too felt that way.. though i am not quite agreeing with every point.. i can really relate to many
i am always trying to cope with it.. even today..
and today i was a bit ‘brave’ or ‘hard’ to have continued to keep silence.. usually i am the one who breaks and makes her comfortable.. never let her feel the pain and it was always for me to suffer
so.. just chill. be brave and daring.. when life mocks at you.. dont cry and self pitty.. just smile and take it as just a bend on the way.. not the end..
goodluck
Thank you for this article, it is a life-saver (together with the ‘Mindfully self-ish’ one). It was a literally shocking revelation how 100% my partner fits in all detail.
I have some questions:
Are these people aware of what they are doing? I have gone through a lot of pain and damage in the past 3 years but somehow I don’t see he is doing it on purpose. I have the impression he is unaware of what he is doing.
Why are they doing it?
Why do we – how can we – love these people?
Thanks a lot again. Margó
Margo this article will answer your questions https://www.heysigmund.com/toxic-people-when-someone-you-love-toxic/. The problem with toxic people is that they even if aren’t aware of what they are doing, there is something in that that shows a lack of empathy. In a healthy relationship, people can see their impact on the person they love. They can see what happens when they say or do something that hurts the other person. Even if they don’t fully understand why it hurts, they try to stop doing it. When people are able to see the hurt they are causing, or when you ask them to stop doing something specific and they keep doing it, this shows a lack of love and commitment to the relationship. If a person is truly toxic, and not willing to change, it is important to accept that this is the way it will be, and then to decide whether that is the way you want to feel, and the relationship you want. Loving a toxic person is hard because of the continual hurt that comes with that. The sad thing is that you can’t love a person out of their toxic habits. That is for them to do.
Wow 😮. Who knew there was a name for my soon-to-be X best friend? “Toxic” could not be more appropriate. Example …
I recently hosted a party that included a game with several prize options which I had purchased. She won. Her comments, as she previewed her choices, were, “Gee I don’t want any of this crap,” and, “That would go straight to the landfill.” At the time
her comments didn’t insult or offend me but instead actually made me question my own judgement in the items I’d bought. Her extremely rude and not at all subtle words had the “toxic” ability to make me doubt myself. Thank you for the slap in the face I needed!
I have a co worker like this, and I feel like I must constantly walk on eggshells around them. Everyone in the office has seen examples of his shenanigans: throwing boxes, screaming, hitting his table, flat-out-lying, throwing people under the bus…But he will never admit to any of these things.
Once, I brought up something he had told me a few weeks prior. “Oh, but I was just lying to you then.” What? I was legitimately upset. He turned it around on me saying “Oh, but it wasn’t lying really. Stop making me feel bad about it.”
Finally this week, he raised his voice and shouted at me, over something completely innocent. I apologized over and over, but it wasn’t enough, he just kept yelling, making me feel like I was a horrible person. No defense I offered calmed him. Nothing I could do would make amends. Suddenly, stuff I did months ago was brought up. Eventually, I started crying and stopped talking, thinking if I didn’t say anything he’d eventually run out of ammo. Nope. He then proceeded to tell me how rude I was for not speaking to him in his own home. He did apologize later, saying he didn’t know why it bothered him so much.
I keep trying to be his friend since he legitimately does have a sad story, and no other friends. But the more I learn, the more I understand he’s the one pushing people away. It’s like he demands people cater to his feelings, but his are the only legitimate ones. Nobody else’s feelings matter, and he doesn’t care about them. Merely offending him is a crime he compared to murder or theft or rape, and he has the right to make you feel as bad as he thinks you deserve for it.
He’s got so many problems in his life, but it’s always someone or something else. The problems he does admit to having, he doesn’t really care to fix. I am beginning to wonder if he has mental issues.
I wish I could say something to him to make him understand how I and others feel, but I guess that would resolve nothing, especially in the workplace. I guess the only resolution is to stop caring about him so he can’t hurt me.
Man…..you really nailed it Sigmund. I came here looking for a description of a woman I know, and what her issues might be? You have just described her to a T. Now I’m really scared, as my daughter might marry into this family. Unfortunately could I give a a recent example of every characteristic of a toxic person that you mentioned. Not sure how to proceed with this new information at this point, but at least we know what we are dealing with. Thanks for helping us clarify the question “Is it me? “
I had 5 years to return to the company. It’s been 3 years. I had been employed for 8 years. I was asked to resign. I would have been employed for 16 years. I have always worked. My sister’s narcissistic sociopath relatives damaged my livelihood, benefits, retirement, and social security. I’m left with my family inheritance for me and my children. I’m certain that you will comment. Thanks.
I have this friend who was toxic she never told the whole truth and when we hung out yesterday she told me I was disrespectful I got on the verge of tears because it was probably true so I left the room and went upstairs to cry i though ahe wouldnt follow because another friend was with her but after about a minute my friend came up after me and kept telling me how disrespectful I was and I really got upset by now so I said I should probably go it’s getting late and then I thanked her for letting me come and said it was fun but then later on in the night my friend told me that my friend has said I had gotten mad at her and left wich is not exactly the truth I already knew she did all of these things but I didn’t know how to defend myself. So thanks! Also I don’t want to not be friends with her anymore but sometimes she makes me feel terrible so what should I do?
Meep if you don’t feel good around someone, don’t keep going back. Take a look at your own behaviour though and make sure that there is nothing that needs tweaking there, but if this relationship keeps hurting you, walk away.
All I have to say is I’m going through this same thing. Another way to say what this toxic person is, is a narcissist. My toxic person does all these same things to a T, and he is in fact the worst kind of narcissist by textbook standards. I am always broken down by him. I love him with all my heart but I know I can’t change him. I hope he sees the amount of damage he does to me and others and maybe one day he won’t feel so good about the pain he causes on purpose. This man has made me balance on the edge of suicidal tendencies and pushes me to want to self harm and be wreckless out of pure pain and frustration. Maybe if something bad happened to me it would wake him up. I mean, do I ĥave to sacrifice my life and self to make him realize that he needs to look in the mirror? I know he cares for me. He has shown that in his own ways.
I can’t give up on him because everyone who’s loved him does. I vowed to never give up on him but there are so many times I want to kick myself. He has a big job. He is so extra it’s insane. His beauty, abilities, and his brain are crazy perfect and he knows it. He has it all. If you play tough love on him to try to beat him at his own game, it won’t work. He’s too smart and turns it back around on you. It’s mind boggling how genius he is. I feel I won’t ever win, so I guess I leave or take it. He is by far the greatest challenge in my life, but it wears me out.
This is on point.
Toxic people are addicted to their racket of critcism and negativity. It is an illness, It is a spirit. It is a demon.
Steer clear. Recognize it, disengage, and break free as soon as you can. Never, ever allow a toxic and negativer person to affect you again. If you must answer them, you can say “My point of view is much different, I see it in a positive manner and I will always choose the positive appoach.” Shut them down with your positive truth and run.
Ok, this is good advice for sure.
I am that toxic person, maybe not as bad as it sounds like some are from the stories, but I so so want to change. If people keep running away from me (as they do) I can’t see a way of doing that. I feel that part of my rehabilitaion will be hanging out with positive people, but I can’t if they keep running away. I can’t blame them of course…..
I feel very conflicted because when I take a step back I can see that your advice is right.
Maybe also inability to deal with problems in a health way inability to take responsibility for your own mistakes.some of them are clear sign of manipulation like the example with the silent person who makes u guess but most of them can be caused by other problems in people. ..and usually what cause them to behave this way is hardship they had in life probably also some resentment still present in their heart’s
Maybe one could argue that some of this points not necessarily mean intentional manipulation but but also can be a sign of neediness loneliness and insecurity.
Whatever the drive, it’s still manipulation if it is intended to control another person in a way that is harmful for that other person. The point of toxic behaviour is that it’s toxic – it contaminates the self-esteem and happiness of another person. The need for love and security are very valid needs, but if the behaviour that is being used to meet those needs is harmful to others, it’s still toxic, regardless of the need it is trying to meet. Nobody should be held to emotional ransom for anyone’s needs.
Thanks for uploading this message. It is very true. I got out of a 10 years toxic relationship without even realising how much damages it has done to my well-being. It is not easy to leave a 10 years relationship whether toxic or not and it needs so much courage to stop any sort of communication.
Your article do me good and appreciate for publishing it. Hope more peoples learn what toxic relationship is before falling into a ten year trap. Thanks.
Oh my god. This is just like my ex best friend! I had a boyfriend and she’d manipulate both us to break up and control everything we did. She had a thing for me and used to make me have to choose between her and my ex boyfriend. I am not friends with her because of this, now she is stalking and manipulating other friends I have made to hate me. It is still going on unfortunately. She recently vandalised a park I find refuge. It sucks and I hope it stops soon.
I think I’m in a toxic relationship. He can be so sweet one day and so bitter the other. It makes me feel like I’m loosing my mind! In the begining of the relationship he tried very hard – we spent lots of time together, he was gentle, loving, sweet… But now it seems like he doesn’t care about me. He’ll always pick booze and drugs over me. Good example for this is that he didn’t get me anything for Valentine’s day – we should have gone to the movies, but he got high with his friends and later “he didn’t have the money” for a gift yet he spends every day in a bar. Also, when we’re out together he ALWAYS judges me and insults me. Everything I say and do is simply wrong and he’s happiest when he can point it out. Once I asked him if he’s had enough of putting me down and he got all cocky, telling me that I can’t take a joke and stormed out of the bar. Guess who appologized for that one? Yup, here I am.
After all this, it sounds silly but when I get just a bit of his attention I get my hopes up.
I got so insecure since I started this replationship, I can barely recognize myself, and I got the same comment from some people who are close to me.
I know what I have to do, but for some reason – I don’t have the guts! What’s wrong with me?
Elle, the small bits you get from this man will never make everything else worthwhile. You know this. When did you start believing that you didn’t deserve more than this? This relationship sounds worse than no relationship because of the damage it is doing. He treats you the way he does because it works to keep you small and diminished. There is no reason for him to change, and the truth is it is unlikely that he would change anyway. You will leave when you feel enough pain. What is ‘enough pain’ for you? What do you imagine you will be like at that point? At any time you want to, you can draw a bold heavy underline and decide to want more for yourself. Inside you is a woman who needs you to fight for her – to be loved more, respected more and cared for more. You deserve that – you really do – but only you can make that decision.
My parents have treated me like this all my life. I thought it was normal. I’ve only just realized that, no, it’s not, and that no one should have to deal with this kind of treatment.
Unfortunately, I’m still stuck living with them, despite being 21, as I’m financially dependant on them.
Anna, do what you can to get out of there. Otherwise you’ll end up like me. See my reply to Tyler above for more detail. You deserve a life – take it before they take yours.
Should I get the check and move on ? Should I tell my mom before I get my stuff or After .
After, then you should tell your mom
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Boundaries are about what WE do to preserve physical safety, relational safety, and values. They aren’t about punishment. They’re the consequences that make sense as a way to put everything right again and restore calm and safety.
When someone is in the midst of big feelings or big behaviour, they (as with all of us when we’re steamy) have limited capacity to lead the situation into a better place.
Because of this, rather than focusing on what we need them to do, shift the focus on what we can do to lead back to calm.
This might sound like:
The rule (what we want them to do): Phones go in the basket at 5pm.
The boundary (what we do when the rule is broken), with love and leadership: ‘I can see you’re having trouble letting go of your phone. That’s okay - I’m just going to sit beside you until you’re ready. Take your time. You’re not in trouble. I’ll just stay here and watch over your shoulder until you’re done.’
Or …
‘I can see this phones in the basket process is dragging out and chewing into our night when we start it at 5pm. If that keeps happening I’ll be starting this process at 4pm instead of 5pm.’
And if there’s a bit of spice in their response, part of being a reliable, sturdy leader is also being able to lead them through that. Even if on the inside you feel like you’re about to explode 🤯 (we’ve all been there), the posture is ‘I can handle this, and I can handle you.’ This might sound like,
‘Yep you’re probably going to have a bit to say about it. That’s okay - I don’t need you to agree with me. I know it’s annoying - and it’s happening.’
‘I won’t listen when you’re speaking to me like this. Take your time though. Get it out of you and then we can get on with the evening.’
Then, when the spicy has gone, that’s the time to talk about what’s happened. ‘You’re such a great kid. I know you know it’s not okay to talk to me like that. How are we going to put this right? Let’s yet 5pm again tomorrow and see how we go. If it causes trouble we’ll start earlier. I actually think we’ll be okay though.’♥️
Nov 10
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So ready to get started with ‘Hey Little Warrior’ in Melbourne. This is my fourth time this year presenting this workshop in Melbourne and we sell out every time.
So what do we do here?! We dive into how to support young children with anxiety. It’s my favourite thing to talk about. I love it. Even more than whether or not I want dessert. We talk about new ways to work with anxiety in littles so they can feel braver and bigger in the presence of it. This workshop is loaded with practical strategies. I love presenting this workshop.
(And yes - always yes to dessert. As if I would ever skip the most important meal of the day. Pffftt.)
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Oct 27
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They’re often called sensory preferences, but they’re sensory needs.
In our adult worlds we can move our bodies and ourselves to seek regulation. If we don’t like noise we’re less likely to be DJs for example. If we don’t love heights we’re less likely to be pilots or skydivers. If we feel overwhelmed, we can step outside, go into an office, go to the bathroom, or pop on headphones for a break. If we need to move, we can stand, walk to get a tea. At school, this is so much harder.
When bodies don’t feel safe, there will be anxiety. This will potentially drive fight (anger, tantrums), flight (avoidance, running away, movement), or shutdown (in quiet distress and can’t learn).
These are physiological issues NOT behavioural ones.
Whenever we can, we need to support physiological safety by accommodating sensory needs AND support brave behaviour. What’s tricky is disentangling anxiety driven by unmet sensory needs, from anxiety driven by brave behaviour.
The way through is to support their physiological needs, then move them towards brave behaviour.
Schools want to support this. They want all kids to be happy and the best they can be, but there will be a limit on their capacity to support this - not because they don’t want to, but because of a scarcity of resources.
There will often be many children with different physiological needs. Outside school there is nowhere else that has to accommodate so many individual needs, because as adults we won’t be drawn to environments that don’t feel okay. In contrast, school requires all kids to attend and stay regulated in the one environment.
For now, we don’t have a lot of options. Yes there are schools outside mainstream, and yes there is home school, but these options aren’t available to everyone.
So, until mainstream schools are supported with the resources (staff, spaces, small classes, less demand on curriculum … and the list goes on), what can we do?
- Help school with specific ways to support your child’s physiology while being mindful that teachers are also attending to the needs of 25+ other nervous systems. But be specific.
- Limit the list. Make this a ‘bare minimum needs’ list, not a ‘preferences’ one.♥️
Oct 20
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Brave often doesn’t feel like ‘brave’. Most often, it feels like anxiety. If there is something brave, important, new, hard, there will always be anxiety right behind it. It’s the feeling of anxiety that makes it something brave - and brave is different for everyone.♥️
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Oct 18
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Recently I chatted with Sharon from the ADHD Families Podcast. I loved this chat. We took a dive into anxiety and ADHD, including anxiety at school and some strategies for schools and parents to support kiddos with anxiety and ADHD. Listen to the full episode
here https://www.thefunctionalfamily.com/podcasts/adhd-families-podcast
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Oct 16
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