If toxic people were an ingestible substance, they would come with a high-powered warning and secure packaging to prevent any chance of accidental contact. Sadly, families are not immune to the poisonous lashings of a toxic relationship.
Though families and relationships can feel impossibly tough at times, they were never meant to ruin. All relationships have their flaws and none of them come packaged with the permanent glow of sunlight and goodness and beautiful things. In any normal relationship there will be fights from time to time. Things will be said and done and forgiven, and occasionally rehashed at strategic moments. For the most part though, they will feel nurturing and life-giving to be in. At the very least, they won’t hurt.
Why do toxic people do toxic things?
Toxic people thrive on control. Not the loving, healthy control that tries to keep everyone safe and happy – buckle your seatbelt, be kind, wear sunscreen – but the type that keeps people small and diminished.
Everything they do is to keep people small and manageable. This will play out through criticism, judgement, oppression – whatever it takes to keep someone in their place. The more you try to step out of ‘your place’, the more a toxic person will call on toxic behaviour to bring you back and squash you into the tiny box they believe you belong in.
It is likely that toxic people learned their behaviour during their own childhood, either by being exposed to the toxic behaviour of others or by being overpraised without being taught the key quality of empathy. In any toxic relationship there will be other qualities missing too, such as respect, kindness and compassion, but at the heart of a toxic person’s behaviour is the lack of concern around their impact on others. They come with a critical failure to see past their own needs and wants.
Toxic people have a way of choosing open, kind people with beautiful, lavish hearts because these are the ones who will be more likely to fight for the relationship and less likely to abandon.
Even the strongest people can find themselves in a toxic relationship but the longer they stay, the more they are likely to evolve into someone who is a smaller, less confident, more wounded version of the person they used to be.
Non-toxic people who stay in a toxic relationship will never stop trying to make the relationship better, and toxic people know this. They count on it. Non-toxic people will strive to make the relationship work and when they do, the toxic person has exactly what he or she wants – control.
Toxic Families – A Special Kind of Toxic
Families are a witness to our lives – our best, our worst, our catastrophes, our frailties and flaws. All families come with lessons that we need to learn along the way to being a decent, thriving human. The lessons begin early and they don’t stop, but not everything a family teaches will come with an afterglow. Sometimes the lessons they teach are deeply painful ones that shudder against our core.
Rather than being lessons on how to love and safely open up to the world, the lessons some families teach are about closing down, staying small and burying needs – but for every disempowering lesson, there is one of empowerment, strength and growth that exists with it. In toxic families, these are around how to walk away from the ones we love, how to let go with strength and love, and how to let go of guilt and any fantasy that things could ever be different. And here’s the rub – the pain of a toxic relationship won’t soften until the lesson has been learned.
Love and loyalty don’t always exist together.
Love has a fierce way of keeping us tied to people who wound us. The problem with family is that we grow up in the fold, believing that the way they do things is the way the world works. We trust them, listen to them and absorb what they say. There would have been a time for all of us that regardless of how mind-blowingly destructive the messages from our family were, we would have received them all with a beautiful, wide-eyed innocence, grabbing every detail and letting them shape who we were growing up to be.
Our survival would have once depended on believing in everything they said and did, and resisting the need to challenge or question that we might deserve better. The things we believe when we are young are powerful. They fix themselves upon us and they stay, at least until we realise one day how wrong and small-hearted those messages have been.
At some point, the environment changes – we grow up – but our beliefs don’t always change with it. We stop depending on our family for survival but we hang on to the belief that we have to stay connected and loyal, even though being with them hurts.
The obligation to love and stay loyal to a family member can be immense, but love and loyalty are two separate things and they don’t always belong together.
Loyalty can be a confusing, loaded term and is often the reason that people stay stuck in toxic relationships. What you need to know is this: When loyalty comes with a diminishing of the self, it’s not loyalty, it’s submission.
We stop having to answer to family when we become adults and capable of our own minds.
Why are toxic relationships so destructive?
In any healthy relationship, love is circular – when you give love, it comes back. When what comes back is scrappy, stingy intent under the guise of love, it will eventually leave you small and depleted, which falls wildly, terrifyingly short of where anyone is meant to be.
Healthy people welcome the support and growth of the people they love, even if it means having to change a little to accommodate. When one person in a system changes, whether it’s a relationship of two or a family of many, it can be challenging. Even the strongest and most loving relationships can be touched by feelings of jealousy, inadequacy and insecurity at times in response to somebody’s growth or happiness. We are all vulnerable to feeling the very normal, messy emotions that come with being human.
The difference is that healthy families and relationships will work through the tough stuff. Unhealthy ones will blame, manipulate and lie – whatever they have to do to return things to the way they’ve always been, with the toxic person in control.
Why a Toxic Relationship Will never change.
Reasonable people, however strong and independently minded they are, can easily be drawn into thinking that if they could find the switch, do less, do more, manage it, tweak it, that the relationship will be okay. The cold truth is that if anything was going to be different it would have happened by now.
Toxic people can change, but it’s highly unlikely. What is certain is that nothing anyone else does can change them. It is likely there will be broken people, broken hearts and broken relationships around them – but the carnage will always be explained away as someone else’s fault. There will be no remorse, regret or insight. What is more likely is that any broken relationship will amplify their toxic behaviour.
Why are toxic people so hard to leave?
If you try to leave a toxic person, things might get worse before they get better – but they will always get better. Always.
Few things will ramp up feelings of insecurity or a need for control more than when someone questions familiar, old behaviour, or tries to break away from old, established patterns in a relationship. For a person whose signature moves involve manipulation, lies, criticism or any other toxic behaviour, when something feels as though it’s changing, they will use even more of their typical toxic behaviour to bring the relationship (or the person) back to a state that feels acceptable.
When things don’t seem to be working, people will always do more of what used to work, even if that behaviour is at the heart of the problem. It’s what we all do. If you are someone who is naturally open and giving, when things don’t feel right in a relationship you will likely give more of yourself, offer more support, be more loving, to get things back on track.
Breaking away from a toxic relationship can feel like tearing at barbed wire with bare hands. The more you do it, the more it hurts, so for a while, you stop tearing, until you realise that it’s not the tearing that hurts, it’s the barbed wire – the relationship – and whether you tear at it or not, it won’t stop cutting into you.
Think of it like this. Imagine that all relationships and families occupy a space. In healthy ones, the shape of that space will be fluid and open to change, with a lot of space for people to grow. People will move to accommodate the growth and flight of each other.
For a toxic family or a toxic relationship, that shape is rigid and unyielding. There is no flexibility, no bending, and no room for growth. Everyone has a clearly defined space and for some, that space will be small and heavily boxed. When one person starts to break out of the shape, the whole family feels their own individual sections change. The shape might wobble and things might feel vulnerable, weakened or scary. This is normal, but toxic people will do whatever it takes to restore the space to the way it was. Often, that will mean crumpling the ones who are changing so they fit their space again.
Sometimes out of a sense of love and terribly misplaced loyalty, people caught in a toxic relationship might sacrifice growth and change and step back into the rigid tiny space a toxic person manipulates them towards. It will be clear when this has happened because of the soul-sucking grief at being back there in the mess with people (or person) who feel so bad to be with.
But they do it because they love me. They said so.
Sometimes toxic people will hide behind the defence that they are doing what they do because they love you, or that what they do is ‘no big deal’ and that you’re the one causing the trouble because you’re just too sensitive, too serious, too – weak, stupid, useless, needy, insecure, jealous – too ‘whatever’ to get it. You will have heard the word plenty of times before.
The only truth you need to know is this: If it hurts, it’s hurtful. Fullstop.
Love never holds people back from growing. It doesn’t diminish, and it doesn’t contaminate. If someone loves you, it feels like love. It feels supportive and nurturing and life-giving. If it doesn’t do this, it’s not love. It’s self-serving crap designed to keep you tethered and bound to someone else’s idea of how you should be.
There is no such thing as a perfect relationship, but a healthy one is a tolerant, loving, accepting, responsive one.
The one truth that matters.
If it feels like growth or something that will nourish you, follow that. It might mean walking away from people you care about – parents, sisters, brothers, friends – but this can be done with love and the door left open for when they are able to meet you closer to your terms – ones that don’t break you.
Set the boundaries with grace and love and leave it to the toxic person to decide which side of that boundary they want to stand on. Boundaries aren’t about spite or manipulation and they don’t have to be about ending the relationship. They are something drawn in strength and courage to let people see with great clarity where the doorway is to you. If the relationship ends, it’s not because of your lack of love or loyalty, but because the toxic person chose not to treat you in the way you deserve. Their choice.
Though it is up to you to decide the conditions on which you will let someone close to you, whether or not somebody wants to be close to you enough to respect those conditions is up to them. The choice to trample over what you need means they are choosing not to be with you. It doesn’t mean you are excluding them from your life.
Toxic people also have their conditions of relationship and though they might not be explicit, they are likely to include an expectation that you will tolerate ridicule, judgement, criticism, oppression, lying, manipulation – whatever they do. No relationship is worth that and it is always okay to say ‘no’ to anything that diminishes you.
The world and those who genuinely love you want you to be as whole as you can be. Sometimes choosing health and wholeness means stepping bravely away from that which would see your spirit broken and malnourished.
When you were young and vulnerable and dependent for survival on the adults in your life, you had no say in the conditions on which you let people close to you. But your life isn’t like that now. You get to say. You get to choose the terms of your relationships and the people you get close to.
There is absolutely no obligation to choose people who are toxic just because they are family. If they are toxic, the simple truth is that they have not chosen you. The version of you that they have chosen is the one that is less than the person you would be without them.
The growth.
Walking away from a toxic relationship isn’t easy, but it is always brave and always strong. It is always okay. And it is always – always – worth it. This is the learning and the growth that is hidden in the toxic mess.
Letting go will likely come with guilt, anger and grief for the family or person you thought you had. They might fight harder for you to stay. They will probably be crueller, more manipulative and more toxic than ever. They will do what they’ve always done because it has always worked. Keep moving forward and let every hurtful, small-hearted thing they say or do fuel your step.
You can’t pretend toxic behaviour away or love it away or eat it, drink it, smoke it, depress it or gamble it away. You can’t avoid the impact by being smaller, by crouching or bending or flexing around it. But you can walk away from it – so far away that the most guided toxic fuelled missile that’s thrown at you won’t find you.
One day they might catch up to you – not catch you, catch up to you – with their growth and their healing but until then, choose your own health and happiness over their need to control you.
You can love people, let go of them and keep the door open on your terms, for whenever they are ready to treat you with love, respect and kindness. This is one of the hardest lessons but one of the most life-giving and courageous ones.
Sometimes there are not two sides. There is only one. Toxic people will have you believing that the one truthful side is theirs. It’s not. It never was. Don’t believe their highly diseased, stingy version of love. It’s been drawing your breath, suffocating you and it will slowly kill you if you let it, and the way you ‘let it’ is by standing still while it spirals around you, takes aim and shoots.
If you want to stay, that’s completely okay, but see their toxic behaviour for what it is – a desperate attempt to keep you little and controlled. Be bigger, stronger, braver than anything that would lessen you. Be authentic and real and give yourself whatever you need to let that be. Be her. Be him. Be whoever you can be if the small minds and tiny hearts of others couldn’t stop you.
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I married my husband 5 years ago. We have children. We have a home. He works. I raise the kids. I stay home all day. All night. I’ve left him 4 times. Stayed away. Got happy. Promises were made, things were supposed to change. And I’d come back. And it would be okay for awhile. But the promises were never upheld. Lately I’ve been asking to go to counseling with him. And he keeps saying nothings wrong. That everything’s okay. And the end of the conversation involves him yelling that it’s all in my head and me crying. I don’t understand. I truly don’t. Why wouldn’t you bend over backwards to make your spouse feel loved, important. That their feelings mattered? It’s just counseling. If nothings truly wrong it won’t hurt will it? Or is he right? Am I being too needy and trying to find an issue when there isn’t one?
If you feel as though there’s an issue, then there’s an issue. You don’t have to be able to name what it is and it doesn’t need to make sense to your partner. That’s where the work is in a relationship – trying to understand what doesn’t feel right or what isn’t working and both committing to trying to put it right. Your partner might feel as though nothing is wrong, but that’s his experience. Yours is different. There are many reasons people are reluctant to go to relationship counselling, even when they want to hold on to the relationship. Often, it’s fear. Counselling means there is something broken, so it is harder to live in denial. There may also be fear that you might find out through counselling that the relationship is too broken. We can only speculate about what is happening for your husband. The clue though, is that you were happier out of the relationship than you were in it. It’s very difficult to heal a relationship when one person doesn’t believe there is a problem.
I’ve just split with my partner of 2 years,the first 3 months were absolutely fantastic,he knew I’d had a toxic relationship previously and was the total opposite,I couldn’t fault him apart from sometimes drinking too much!
This seamt to change overnight, I’m a friendly person and all of a sudden I was after every man I came into contact with,young,old,ugly,anyone!He said it was because he loved me so much and I constantly tried to reassure and help him,he made me anxious,I was constantly walking on egg shells,he was really jealous of one of my older sons yet I still ‘tried to make him better”,To cut a long story short we split for 6 weeks at Christmas and he promised he’d changed,he tried everything to get me back,he saw a councillor and I gave him another chance,nothing changed,he got worse if anything and we split 5 weeks ago!
Again he’s trying everything,he even followed me abroad when I went on holiday for a few days!He really can’t understand why I won’t give him another last chance!
He’s proved time and time again that he can’t change and I won’t go back but it is so hard and I am grieving the relationship that we first had and I wanted back but obviously this wasn’t really him,he was just a wolf in sheep clothing!
This relationship is co-dependent. You can never “fix” anybody else…only yourself. What is happening is that the victim is saying to the abuser “don’t worry I’ll help you, I can fix you. You don’t need to do anything” therefore enabling the abuser to carry on with his behaviour. What you let happen will continue to happen. I think shame is also thrown into the mix. The message here is “I deserve this”. Lizzie you need to find out why you keep attracting these relationships. Good luck!
I am trying to find a way to stay strong at the moment and this article is just brilliant. Thank you.
You’re so welcome Lianne. The strength you need is in you – it always will be. I’m pleased this has been able to help you connect with it in the way you needed.
Hi I m in a 16 yr marriage with a toxic man who is ruining my life I can’t live with him or without him and I’m angry at my self I feel so low I dont know what to do
Donna I can hear how stuck you feel. Relationships become habits, and leaving those relationships can feel impossible. It’s important to recognise your own power in this – you have a lot. Try changing ‘can’t’ to ‘won’t’ and see if this changes your feelings of personal power at all – so instead of ‘I can’t live with him or I can’t live without him’, try ‘I won’t live with him or I won’t live without him’. Leaving a relationship, even a bad one, can feel like breaking an addiction. Here is an article that explains that https://www.heysigmund.com/your-body-during-a-breakup/. Even in a bad relationship, there will be some good things. This is why you’ve stayed for so long. Be careful not to give them more weight than they deserve. You have the strength in you to do whatever you need to do – you really do.
Shes right. Thats what it is…we dont believe its possible. We dont believe. Its scary, so we cave. We dont believe in ourselves. We second guess ourselves. We dont want to be alone. We have too many excuses. My situation is not as bad as what I read about others so Im constantly second guessing. But Im learning that “not as bad as others” is no prize either. Stay strong everyone and believe. I dont know what Im doing but at least Im doing something.
I’ve been struggling with this for ten years. I thought it was me. I thought I was doing something wrong. I thought he was the best thing that ever happened to me. But then I started losing myself. I didn’t want to see anyone. I stayed in my room by myself. He told me I was needy, anxious, insecure, that I overreact, etc. and I was. He told me I only had what I had because of him. I got so depressed I tried to commit suicide. I would have never thought of that before I met him. I loved life. I’ve tried to leave so many times, but he would talk me out of it and tell me how much he loved me. This article has made me realize I am married to a toxic person. I thought it was me. Now I know I need to move on. It will be hard… so hard, but I will do it. If not for me than for my children. Thank you, thank you, thank you!!!
Dee you’re so welcome. I’m pleased this has helped to bring you clarity. I can hear the strength in you.
Dee I can relate to you… I am not married but have bee in a relationship with a man for ten years. He has told me those same things and I came to a point where I just wanted to give up on life as I felt so useless so worthless so insecure not good enough. However I have bee encouraged by a sermon by to jakes to ‘let them walk’. That nothing we go through is without purpose so I hope you find strength in knowing God will never leave you or forsake you and will be your help. Be encouraged we are all too good for those toxic people and they don’t deserve us!
I couldn’t leave; God help me. Why do I keep caving and staying!!
Dee it’s so okay. This is how big change happens. This is a huge thing you’re doing. Big changes don’t always happen in one leap. Every step counts. Even the ones that seem to be backwards ones are getting you closer. The path will be windy but keep facing forward – you’re going to get to where you want to be. Don’t worry at all if your path doesn’t look as straight as you imagined. Hard paths never are.
I know I made the best choice for me leaving him. I just can’t help but feel so hurt and sick how quickly he moved on after 4 years and everything I went through in the relationship. It feels so weird acknowledging its actually over. I do have anxiety about ever finding what I thought I had with him. I think I’m most bothered accepting he couldn’t change for me. Knowing he is intimate with someone else. Just being still in love with him when I know I will find what I’m looking for. Its hard.
Letting go of someone you care about is always hard, even if you know it’s the right thing to do. Be patient and kind with yourself. You’re adjusting to a new normal. This takes time, but without a doubt, you will get there.
This article really helped me realize that the person I am trying to be with is toxic. We have been together for 5 years, I am 20 so I grew up with this guy. We recently broke up due to him cheating on me, lying to me, hiding things from me, making me feel small and weak. During the time we broke up, I fooled around with one guy. My ex found out, attacked me verbally with cruel names, and then told me he loves me and made a mistake in cheating on me. Weeks pass by, he is still bringing up what I did during the break up and calling me a “hoe” a “liar” and telling me i am easy. He tells me that he is going to have sex with my friends, and he also told me he had sex with other people while we were dating. I stop texting him because I cannot handle this cruelness, he texts me hours later telling me he loves me and misses me and wants me. Its a cycle, a cycle that I cannot break ahold of. But this article is helping me realize that this guy is toxic! And i can always leave the door open for him when he reaches my point. But at the end of it, he will never change. He was supposed to change months ago, even years ago when he made 5 dating websites while being with me. He was supposed to change when he was hanging out with girls and lying to me about it. He never changed and I’m stuck here feeling more hurt than ever. Feeling that if i leave, i didn’t try hard enough and that it is my fault that the relationship is like this. I feel i made it worse. He makes me feel that this is all my fault and puts the blame on me! He said what I did when we broke up is worse than what he did when we were together. I begged him to stay with me so many times and he left me. But i need to gather the courage to leave him.
The courage is in you. It will come in tiny steps. Decide on what that first step will be – let it be as small as you need it to be – remind yourself of why it’s so important, and do it. Keep taking tiny steps forward and the path will open up to meet you. I promise you – you have incredible courage in you and you can do this.
My soon to be ex was bringing up a one time moment from 20 years ago. Don’t waste your time girl. Move on you have no binds to this person. You owe him nothing. It took me 30 years to understand this. Ok….I’m a man…we are slow learners. You women…those of you who are not manipulator sand abusive are way too hard on yourselves. I don’t need a woman to take care of me and you don’t need to sacrifice for a man. You just need someone to love you, respect you. Good luck.
THANK YOU!!!! SOOOO needed this information.
So welcome Crissie! I’m pleased it was helpful for you.
I am sitting here reading this thinking OMG am I the toxic person??? My ex husband was more physically abusive than anything before I divorced him. I am still drawn to him after 9 years since the divorce. I read this and think I am the crazy one, I am the one with issues, what is wrong with me. I feel the pain so deep as this is what a toxic person will leave you thinking, feeling and believing.
Always remember that it was not your fault. The abuser wants you to believe that you are as mad as a hatter and that it was never them. I have wasted years of my life analyzing this same issue…it leaves you feeling that you are absolutely powerless. Please don’t waste another 9 years of your life feeling like this. We all deserve to live the life that we deserve. Good luck!
Thanks!!!
Im in the process of letting go of a toxic person its hard because he calls and contacts me like he always need my help. Then after that day or weeks will go by and I wont hear from him until he needs something. I left one toxic relationship and got into another. I substituted one for the other now it feels like one long toxic hell. I have to make a decision to stop answering my phone and his text. Its the only way Im going to save myself. Im in therapy and its really helping.
To Kim: I have been dealing with this same situation for about 9 years. It has been worse for the past year or so. I finally cracked 6 months ago because of the toxicity coming from this guy. The lack of him being present when I needed him, not texting back, not committing to even stop by for 10 minutes… He tries to guilt me whenever I do not respond to his texts now so I answer but with very minimal responses. Just a few emoji’s or a couple of words. I’ve given up on asking for help from him or relying on him anymore. It’s sad because he used to be my knight in shining armor so to speak. Now he has had some issues and he is no longer capable of being a good person around me… I feel bad but I also have to look out for myself. I can’t go thru another breakdown because of him. I luv him so that’s why I must let him go.
I think I am in a toxic relationship. I’ve tried to end it a few times but He moved in with me and i can’t just ‘kick him out’ as he has nowhere to go. He suffers from depression and ptsd and be as a beautiful, caring, sensitive guy one day and a complete asshole the next, always on his phone playing games and Facebook. He won’t be friends with me on FB and I said he is hiding stuff. Then he says I just don’t trust him and he’s not hiding anything. I do everything, cook, clean, wash, mow the lawn. He doesn’t even taken the bin out. I have 3 boys to a previous marriage and they don’t like him and say he is lazy I have cried most nights it has been nearly a year. I wish it could just be all over but Ido love him and always see that he could be so great if he got past his personal problems and he is seeing a psychiatrist.
Hi,
I have been in a 3 year relationship on and off… I have been so forgiving for all the cheating that were justified by telling me ” it didnt mean anything, I pushed him away, he was mad at me and needed to get it out of his system, he was drunk, he was high.. and the list goes on and on.. I have given him so much love, helped him grow.. Got him a job at the company I work at.. take care of all his doctors appointment.. he wasnt controlling towards me.. but every weekend he would say he needs to go with his boys and have a boys night out… and if I would ask to tag along he would say no and scream at me and tell me I dont give him any freedom… he always made all the decisions (movies, food.. and I could tell him I really want us to watch this and he would justify why his choice is better and mine is just stupid and I could watch it alone..)He would plan his vacation with his fmaily and friends.. and never ask me .. I always felt greedy and needy for his attention and time.. Towards the past few months he was verbally abusive.. and every time I cried (very very often) he would tell me if he sees one more tear he will smack my head against the wall till I bleed to death… and I would actually stop. He spit on my face.. and made me appologize to him for making him so mad.. he said I made him become this horrible person.. I went to therapy and worked on my flaws.. but he kept breaking up with me .. and come back and forth.. or I would try to save the relationship applogizing for his behaviour . This time, he told me he doesnt want to ruin his summer he wants to have fun and he will see later.. but I told him I will walk out.. and I have.. its very fresh 1 week but I have not contacted him once.. It breaks my heart even though I am completly aware that he was not good for me.. or like he says we are both not good for eachother.. I feel unloved and like a failure that I wasnt able to save or change o rmake things different.. and with all the pain he caused me I still feel like I do love him.. I have no idea how to just have hate towards him
I just read your story, G. Please.. Imagine coming our of your body, looking back at yourself. Imagine what it looks like, to see yourself, in that relationship. Now, imagine that you are to look after the person that your see (yourself). Protect her, be kind to her, and make a situation where she is loved and protected, and free to do as she wants. Keep her away from this extremely toxic, deluded person that was once her partner. Keep doing this meditation. See yourself, and the answer will come. The reason you let yourself continue with such a horrific situation, is because of your attachment to it. Even strong aversion to such a toxic relationship can be addictive, and result in force that pulls you back in.
You deserve so much more. Please find someone who respects you, is kind and understanding.
I wish you all the best.x
Thank you Paul, even though it was advice for someone else it made me feel so much better about ending a 9yr relationship w/ a toxic man.
My parents are 79 and 83 ..They moved from 5 of there kids to be with one kid in Californis he braggs of this kid because he successful but his other kids are doing great as well ..My dad is very negative he beat myself and other siblings to a inch of there life when we were little …He never help us get through anything in life …When he gives u money u need to pay it back …My mom watch him beat us ..He always put us down as kids and he still talks about us to each of us …They sold there house and moved away my dad got sick and ,we all believe he didn’t won’t my mom left in this city with us so he rush her to move in with my brother who had just got married …I believe all these years that my parents were never let me play with other children now as a adult I have no friends ..They always han his children but he don’t have a highschool diploma or my mom his kids have graduated from highschool and some of us have college degrees …He has been so negative all our lives ..He use to make statement to my mom ur kids go get u in divorce court why would a parent be this way …I cry so much at 51 …I cry all the time and now my mom don’t hardly call ..I think he wants her to be away from us all by not calling ..My other brother they bragg on him constantly but he lived in the same city and never came around ..It was us five that came over went to the doctor with them sat on the back porch ..I don’t understand ..I loved my parents I put them up high but I realize they were not right at all..I still say maybe Iam wrong about them ..I met a lot of bad guys cause they never supported me ,they never told me about like …Why are they this way? Now why would they leave like this 3000 miles away …We all call my mom and we don’t call dad that much because he so negative …He finds something wrong with everyone…They had to moved out of my brother house because he wife treated my parents so bad …They had to find a place ,2 old people in a new city trying to find aplace to lived when they promise to take care of them …Now they pay rent …They sold there house they had for 42 years and when he got that money he ran but noone ask for anything from them …Iam sooo hurt because today I realize who they are ..I keep trying to be nice but they talk behind all our backs ….What should I do ..They are in there last years and I try to call and be kind but I seem like I putting all the energy in ..Should I just not call and stay away or what ….I love family but I think its hopeless
Sharon, there is no right or wrong answer here, but you are right – things aren’t likely to change. If you decide to stay connected with your parents, have your boundaries. Accept that you probably won’t get what you need from the contact, but be clear about why you are maintaining the contact.
I think i have been in a toxic relationship. It has now ended but it was my partner that ended it rather than me. I have been unhappy for years in truth but was always hoping and praying things would get better, trying to change how i reacted to her temper or accusations to avoid flare ups, but whatever i did she could not sustain being ‘nice’. She has a hard upbringing and i think felt neglected in some ways, however, she would not admit this, i believe it’s left her reaching for anger when the real emotion might be fear or guilt or actually that was sorry for something but couldnt admit it, i dont know
Im now out of that relationship but finding it so hard to still not make her my top priority, im always wanting and waiting for her to text or call or ask to see me, but she is cruel and being tough and still fixing all the blame of the relationship going wrong onto me.
Im sure there is blame my side but reading these articles really hit home as she has many of the attributes that make up a ‘toxic’ person.
I feel like i have had the life leeched from me and now been tossed aside when i had nothing else of interest to offer. But even now if i act disinterested she will send a message saying she wants to see me and apologising and saying she thinks she may depressed or something. I want to help but if i reply sympathetically she soon turns and i guess perhaps its all about regaining power.
ugh. i really hope i see the signs and never get into a toxic relationship again, its made me feel like i will never meet anyone new and i feel panicked about the future. Ive been left with nothing is how i feel, rock bottom.
This message also hit home for me as well my life is very similar to this passage . In 2013 I dated this girl for about a year an a couple month things went well in the beginning until she wanted to eventually break up , I guess I didn’t make her happy the break up was so terrible for me I thought I would never get through it but we tried to remain friend for a little while until we became involved with each other again and as I knew , it did not work out I felt so dumb, angry , and betrayed because I gave someone I thought knew me best another chance with my heart but all I got in return is for it to be shattered again, and it’s like when you love or care for a person so much you don’t want them to just walk out of your life but you know they are no good to it either so your stuck thinking well what do I do know I know I love them but I know there no good for me so just like this message said ” Be whoever you can be if the small minds and tiny hearts of others couldn’t stop you” listen to heart and most of all listen to God cause I have to say I would’ve never made it through this before with out him and yeah I know some days may be bad , just pray cause he is always there to listen when no one else is he’s your #1 fan who will never leave you .
Reading your story really help me stay away from this person and not fall for there bs, really glad I found those xite
You couldn’t of that better. I feel exactly same as you, alone, feel like I will never have nobody again and anxiety I’m just depressed even though I was the one who left him it still hurts like hell and there’s times you want to run back to them but I know or I could go back once that I will never turn back this time people don’t I gave it a try now I know for sure it don’t make you feel any better though sometimes I wonder if he could ever feel their love sometimes I wonder if he has a conscience I know I’ll get stronger every day and I will feel better because I do feel better but you will hurt as well just work through it you won’t hurt as much eventually it’ll be gone and your eyes will see A Whole New World but if you stay in that relationship your whole world will come down and you always I wish you the best
This is one of the best of many writings about
toxic relationships/people I’ve read. I’ve been learning about narcistic people and trying to stay on my path of breaking free of a devastating
5 year intimate relationship. I’m disappointed in my failure to have better boundaries to protect my heart, especially because I lost my husband to cancer several years ago. I want to be happy and whole for my now grown sons that lost their father during their youths. I can’t believe that when I finally allowed love again in my heart, I made such a bad decision.
I cannot find a good counselor that understands
the impact a verbally abusive, toxic relationship
has had. It would be great to have therapudic
support.
Great Job and very helpful!
Male here. Toxic relationship for 35 years. Label her anything you want but her caring and giving were care taking not giving.
4 counselors and the last one finally said to start reading about control, manipulation and don’t label her. I have been insulted, demeaned, criticized and told not to think just do and we will have a happy life.
Left three times before and she became this wonderful person. Yes to manipulate me back.
Now I am guilt free. Still reading to stay strong and why I am here.
Simply put you need to do what is right for you and to H#$% with anyone that calls you selfish.
Don’t avoid relationships just be strong enough not to work to please. If they love you, you already please them by being yourself. Not by pleasing them.
Good luck
Why do we wait so long to finally get it? Well done you and good luck.
We hope. So we try and wait. Finally we find our voice.
Thanks Sue,
Having a weak moment. Realize I am so familiar with this toxic relationship it feels abnormal to picture myself free. I tried several times to discuss calmly leaving. June was my last attempt and she became so nice just to manipulate me. I am secretly planning an escape. I have an apartment. Going thru the motions with her makes me feel cheap. I don’t know why I am so worried about her reaction. Since I have left twice before. She is so over the top. But, I should know better.
This week we met with our financial advisor. I made a comment about my future income as I wind down from full time. She interrupted and discredited my statement. In hindsight she corrects my statements to others on a regular basis.
I guess I am wondering why? Just throwing it out there to anyone reading this blog.
Hey Ross, I think you are so courageous having a Plan B or exit strategy. You are putting things in place to make your life easier and perhaps that will take a little time. I don’t think you are having a weak moment at all. It takes so much courage to do what you are doing. One day you will have “no contact” with that person and you will be free. My “abuser” was a sibling who had been my best friend for many years so I can really relate to what you are going through. I liken the relationship to an addiction: always got a high when I tried to reconcile. But my gut feeling was I knew I could not continue with the relationship. There is also some fantastic reading material out there regarding these sorts of relationships. Good luck!
Thank you. I think hanging in there with her 35 years I can feel guilt free.
One more comment: I have practiced medicine for 30 years. No one should ever feel inadequate for the time they took to try. You are never too old to change and look to a new adventure in life. It is what we went through that makes us who we are. Abuse can happen to anyone. Funny how I was able to see it in others but not believe it could be happening to me.
Thank you also said some great things I needed to hear.
Jo,
I have found courage in realizing I am not alone. Since finding this site I know this time I can close the door behind me without guilt. Sadness is there but not confused with guilt. Now I have to resist her being kind and sweet. I know it is a tactic she has used many times. The other is we all come from different walks of life. I practice medicine for 30 years. You would have thought I would have left long ago. But it is in us to hope and give that makes us easy targets. Good luck to you. Life is waiting.
Thank you, Ross, I’m in a similar predicament but only for 9 years now. I too have called it off only to have her come back all nice and sweet. The last time I followed advise from someone and felt so guilty on the way I broke up I asked for her forgiveness. Which she had been loving for a little over a month now but the claws are starting to show themselves again. I have an exit plan which is the same as the advice given to me. Cutting it off cold turkey, blocking phones and accounts, and moving. I’m too weak to confront her and it does not do any good anyway since I’m always against her or wrong about everything. I have been in the hospital many times due to anxiety caused by this relationship where after she becomes the most friendly sweet person again for a while saying I do not know what his problem was he is just dramatic. My chest is so tight I’m in emotional and physical pain most of the time. It is not always there are good moments and moments of memories of better times. Which has always keep going back. Once I can be free of this I’m not sure if I will ever be able to open my heart up to others again or if I would be a good man to others. Some of the toxic tendencies have entered my mind and I’m afraid of hurting another person. I’m praying for the day I will be free again, able to make some friends since she had me push all mine out 7 years ago. She is the only one in my life which scares me to leave and I work alone in the house never leaving without her. Funny thing is I studied to be a psychologist in college, though picked a different path, and know the traits that I’ve gone through. I read case study after case study but when you are the one it is happening to your mind is blindsided. My family will be there emotionally for me but they live on the other side of the country and I have not talked to them much in the past 7 years. Other than a few months ago when I called my father and said “I’m leaving her I think I can do it this time” Which he responded about time. When I told him she was back I could feel the disappointment through the phone, voice, words. I hope I can escape this time this is slowly killing me.
Lyle,
I am in my apartment now for two months. It does get easier but this is my 4th time leaving. You can do it. It hurts and I realized this time that you don’t have to dislike the person. Although they make us hurt stop thinking you need a reason to prove to them you want out. You have a right to live the life you imagined. Friends are waiting for you to meet. Reach out and you will see how strangers respond to you when you are finally free. Good luck. Keep me posted on your progress.
A couple of months ago was my second time trying to leave, it was cold and heartless way of doing it which hurt me more than the torment I go through with her. Though at the same time I felt the corset around my heart was loosened and the pile of bricks upon my shoulders dropped off. That time I was of two minds , standing in the doorway half in and out. That time even though I did not feel right about the way I was doing it a pastor and psychologist that knows us said it was the proper thing to do, (I had an emotional break down a couple days before talking to him). He sees how I’m treated and how my attitude changes when she is not with me the few times he saw me alone. He said if I do not leave I will be miserable for the next 10, 20, or more years if I live that long since this emotion is taking a physical toll on my body. With his support I lasted two days before caving, I felt worse in the way I was leaving than the emotional torment. I called her and talked, she was upset that I blocked her out but also so sweet and understanding in her voice that made me feel worse trying to leave. I was still standing up for myself as she was not in front in me, visiting her son, then a certified letter came for us to see a lawyer on a matter that happened 8 years ago. Which with all things happening and I still and will probably always love her asked her to come back. Now I realize she understands she has more control I feel like a corset tightened around my heart and words and actions make it squeeze harder.
The first time I left her I felt so elated, freed, my neighbors knew she was kicked out and I was trying to get back into a normal life. She was trying to get back into my life; though I had so much joy – no remorse on my decision. That was a little less than 5 years ago the relationship had changed the first two years were good then little by little I felt pulled down the giving up of friends, the wondering who I was talking to at work (I worked in an office then), the sighs if I wanted to do something she did not suggest or want to do, the talking got defensive. The times trying to do something and getting I’m sick I cannot go, won’t you stay with me. Which if it was only a few times I would be more understanding but it is a daily occurrence and if there is something she wants to do or something comes up she wants to do she is magically healed. Though I always stay. I saw all of these things happening to me it took a while for it dawn on me but I saw them after a neighbor told me about them. That time I was free…. then her sister died. I had only left her for a little over a couple weeks and we had over four years together at that point. In my heart I could not let her grieve alone and put her through anymore pain than she was going through. Her sister raised her; her mother drank and she never knew her real father she had seen him once or twice in her entire life. Her sister protected her from step-fathers touching in bad ways. Her sister, her guardian, her friend, was gone. I took off work and stayed with her through the grief, we talked about us and her family and other things going through the pain. It was comforting that at that time even though she was sad and grieving the person I loved was back. To her credit she actually listened during that time not defensive did recognize some issues and did make some changes. We got back together and now the cycle continues though it is not as bad as it was before which has me guessing, I feel there is hope. Though I am still emotionally maltreated.
There is never a good time to leave nor a right way to leave. That is what keeps us people pleasers stuck in hope. Hope this time they will change. Things were not so bad. And a hundred other reasons to think we are wrong and they are right. I saw my psych tonight. I am helping her almost daily. We have an enmeshed family. Yet tonight I sit guilt free in my place. She thinks I will come back. But I withhold, not out of anger but to protect myself until she has no financial hold on me. When I am free financially then I will file. We will be going to couples counseling so I can calmly let her know I changed. I want a different life. It will be then that she will have to move on. You do not owe her. You cannot be responsible for her happiness. No one but you is responsible for you. Make her happy by staying and yourself miserable or make yourself happy and she will move on to what makes her happy…..another victim. This is not about you. It is about her and she does not want you to realize that. I wish someone 25 years ago would have made me realize that this is not selfish. Going your own way. Make sure the next relationship is one on your terms. Don’t repeat the same mistake of loving out of pity.
Ross:
Thank you for your words and support I need them at this time in my life. I’m glad I found this website it has helped me in many ways, reading others triumphs on these matters. I asked her about going to couples therapy but no interest on her part. I lost my hope today as I found out she has another victim she is seeing when visiting family. It started right before her sister died, he left when the sister died but returned later. I just found today. Guilt is gone I confronted her today about it but no emotion, guilt, or understanding on her side. Just a shrug of the shoulders and that was it back to normal. Like I said nothing. I asked her again and just blank only the eyes give response, confirmation, and that was slight at most. Now she is “sick” which I need to watch her because she has tried to take her life before. So in many ways I’m better but in a big way still stuck in caring. At least this knowledge has given me a backbone again I was without one for so long. over 9 years I will not get back, but at least we do not have children together she had some from her previously husband now who has been deceased 12 years. She is leaving in November hopefully,
I have to be the dumbest man on the planet, here I know what I saw but she has me doubting myself. I took her out to eat and bought jewelry to make up with her. I do not know how she has so much control over my emotions even caught red handed I’m stuck. She has complete control. I’m seeing a group tomorrow that hopefully will give me a spine I need. She is toxic for me, I cannot eat, I cannot sleep, I’m suffering but I keep staying and going back to her.
Lyle,
You are not dumb. Just stuck by hope. A false hope that your actions will change her and that what attracted you to her will come back. It will for a short time and then you will realize you are in the same place you are now and why you are on this site.
It is hard letting go of someone you love. However, some of us mistake loving someone when we really pity them. When they make us feel sad for them. That we are the only ones in the world that can “complete” them. It is a manipulation tactic to keep us under their control. First you need to get into a group not to get a spine but to understand how another can make you feel guilty for going your own way. The fact that she let you buy anything for her at this time means it is all about her and nothing about your feelings. You will learn that and eventually let go and find someone you will allow you to live in peace.
Hang in there.
Thank you Ross, I have lost 15 pounds since my last message, stress is getting to me. I know I’m being used and she is using the other guy in the same way. So she already has a another victim but claws still in me.
Thank you for sharing your opinion. You don’t hear a man often actually opening up about such matter. But it is true. Something I used to always say to my significant other is “If you can’t love me as I am, someone else will, because I am not perfect but neither are you”. They try to mold you into what’s perfect for them, and when you stand up for yourself, they criticize you, belittle you, and make your opinion seem meaningless. It is indeed toxic, luckily I had the help of family members and many who love me to keep strong the first time. It was not an easy decision, but I decided to start loving myself once more, and if he didn’t want to stay in my life under my conditions then he was free to go.
I agree with you. I have toxic parents and it is very complicated when grandchildren are involved also, sad in so many ways. It is tiring just trying to think about talking this through with counsellors altho I have done this with some success, including hypnotherapy. it is very supportive to readthis article, very helpful.
Lianne, I too have toxic parents and, like you there are grandchildren involved- it is sometimes hard to stay strong when you think about how sad the situation is. Rest assured there are others like you and me out there and if we can provide a safe, happy and emotionally stable environment for our children, then they won’t miss toxic grandparents. That way, we break the cycle and can build a wonderful life with our own families.
Thanks Lisa I really appreciate your kind words.
Another Lisa: Like the two of you, I have an extremely toxic mother, an emotionally checked out father, and the rest of my family just has this “pitiful” look on their face, honestly, I believe, because they don’t want my mother to paint a target on their back, like she has on mine and my father’s. (My father now gets her “daily abuse” since the rest of us are grown and out of the house). It’s so sad to see her drag him every time the family gets together, but he allows it, has allowed it, and I think he likes it when I’m around, since he can get a small break…because I am her FAVORITE target. I cannot express how grateful I am for this article, because I copied it, emailed it to my immediate family members and let them know that I wont be coming around anymore. For years, I have literally had anxiety attacks before family functions. I know she is going to dig into me before I get there, and yet, I’ve gone, because the idea that I walked out on my family was too hard to imagine. It’s gotten so bad, though, that I literally get gutted every single time I talk to my parents, and with all of the things I have going on in my life, I need support now.
It’s time for me to start fresh….loving people who love me back. Until I meet said people, I will continue to draw my strength from articles like this one, that reinforce what I have always known, but never been able to make realized in my life…..What my family gives me isn’t love…..it never has been….and love has been missing from my life for too long. I am such a sad soul…and I don’t want to be sad anymore. I want to give myself an opportunity to choose….and if that means I have to choose to let my family go so that I can love and be loved, then I choose that, finally. I am 50 years old and that woman still literally enforces her control on me in every aspect of our fay togetherness. At the root of it is evilness, and I have never been able to tolerate it, or understand why the rest of my family see’s it going on and gives her silent permission to continue with it. THAT is why I must leave all of them now….and get into, embrace, a world where reality reigns supreme.
….wonder who her substitute victim will be as a result of my taking myself out of the equation? My father is already her top hit in my absence, wonder if she will just dig into him more when the family gets together, since I am no longer there for her to batter. You know what? I hope it is him because he was never there for me ….he stood aside and let her do this to me and never parted his lips. Now, when I see her do it to him, I cringe and sometimes speak out against it….but in my absence, he will suffer…..and he should, because he is and always has been wrong for not speaking up all those years when he could have and when he should have.
We all cringe when she rips into him and me (and others)….but nobody ever says anything….ever…..insanity has been the rule of the day….
but I have set myself free…..
to love and be loved……
for a change…..
a good change.
Hi Lisa I too am 50 and have recently disengaged myself from a toxic mother. It is possible and freeing. This article is the best worded I have seen on this subject and I have read many in my atempt to investigate why I felt like I did and why my mother was the way she was. My father was lovely but complicit and enabling. He’d need with her for do long he couldn’t fight back, I didn’t get to know him properly, my one regret, because from an early age I couldn’t stand being in the house/room with her so that affected my relationship with him. Now you are free of the toxicity you will develop more confidence, make sure you try to love yourself and love will find you. Good luck.
I’m 44 years old and I finally let go of my family. They’ve never been there for me and my son. My mother only wanted me for money or do things for her. She’s never worked and has this sense of entitlement. My dad died 1.5 years ago and now she’s trying to be my best friend. I told her we’ve never been close and never will be. She only wants me around for her benefit. She has no other family but me in the state. I feel bad for her but she chose her life. I’ve never had a loving, nurturing parents. I was emotionally neglected as a child. I wasn’t allowed to have feelings. This has hurt me as an adult. I chose unhealthy relationships. I was quite the codependent. It took me a couple years to step out of that codie behavior. My next step was letting go of my mother. I feel guilty but I also feel stronger standing up for myself. Anyway, I understand how you feel. I pray for all of us. We deserve a happy, healthy life!
Hi Wendy I was in one to 5 years to and trying desperately to move on for me and my boys, it’s very hard but determined to do it. Well done you for coping with everything. X
Salut to all survivors. A big THANKS to his grandmother for silently helping my sanity and mobility. After claiming me to be the best air he could breath, the year was ending and his mind made him say I was a sneaky, cheating, undeserving bitch. He stole my car, came to my job shouting that I slept with all my male coworkers and had his family believing he was addicted to substances. He call me all day just to yell because he called all day.. He finally attacked me because I would agree to start a family with him, yet after the apologize that made him seem turned around, I was pregnant do to him manipulating the birth control methods. His grandma noticed my pain of disgust and in a private corner of her house softly asked was I “gonna keep em?”, “Can’t” was my final word on the whole situation. His final attempt was calling me to come get my stuff he had at his dad’s place.. Not surprising he left the door open for me to walk in find him naked but snapping at me to get a box of items that were gifts I gave him now broken. A woman comes out the bathroom, he asked her to leave but tells me to stay because he wasn’t done with me yet. . My giggle at this scene upset him to a cursing rage. His father popped open the door because of the threats. I bolted to FREEDOM. This was in 1995, he died in 2021 peacefully.
With that I found out about his mental illness three weeks ago. I forgive him and hope he is at peace.
VERY touched by your opinion. Sounds similar to what I’m going thru.
Hello,
I’m 19 and this article fit every aspect of my current relationship. I know we’re young so a lot of people dismiss my problems of me just being “a stupid teenager” but I’m definitely in a toxic relationship that I’ve been struggling to leave for years. We’ve been together for 3 1/2 years and I’ve tried to leave multiple times and I always get pulled back in. He’s cheated multiple times, he lies compulsively about everything and he’s very emotionally manipulative and extremely verbally abusive and I’m scared it’s going to start developing into physical abuse. He treats me like crap and walks all over me, I’m fully aware of this and I know 100% I need leave but every time I try I just go back a little while after. I’m so afraid of not being able to find someone new and being alone because I’ve isolated myself and lost my friends by sticking with him. He’s constantly doing things that hurt me and things that are so inconsiderate, his anger issues are terrifying and he’s such a big hypocrite he constantly says that if I treated him the way he treats me he’d leave me. I know I’m stupid for staying with him but he’s my first everytjing and I’m so in love with him or maybe just extremely dependent on him now I find it so hard to walk away!!! I need coping mechanisms to stay away from him when I find the courage to leave. I’ve currently begun my journey to leaving him again but I can feel myself getting weak and gravitating towards him again. I don’t want to fall back I don’t want to be his doormat anymore I want to be happy again and confident again I truly believe I’m never going to find someone better now and I hate that. I’m going crazy I am fighting so hard to stay away but I have a feeling I’m going to give in again I hate being this weak I never take crap like this from anyone else but him I used to be so happy and confident and strong. I don’t know how to stay away when I’ve been with him for so long. Please help I want to change!
Elina, this is not love. You have said why you stay, ‘I’m so afraid of not being able to find someone new and being alone because I’ve isolated myself and lost my friends …’ Leaving any relationship is always difficult, however bad the relationship is. But you need to know this: Things will not get better for you if you stay. You have already proven this to yourself. It will take a big push from you and a huge amount of strength and courage but you have truckloads of that. Staying this long couldn’t have been easy either. Reach out to the people who care about you, do things that make you feel good. Let the day you leave is the day things start to get better, but know that if you stay in this sort of relationship, it can certainly get much worse. Make your plan and keep moving forward. Print out your comment and keep reading it to remind yourself of why you left. Something good will find you, but first you have to clear the way. You are brave and strong and capable of anything. You can do this.
This sounds a bit like my relationship of 8 years. My partner has an issue with drink and has done a lot of very hurtful things to me in the past ( never physical). I have broken up with him in the past but when he wasn’t there I had massive anxiety and I did miss him. After he has done something bad usually involving drink he is always sorry but not before blaming me for his actions first and us having a massive argument. I do not trust him at all where drink is concerned as with our little boy who unfortunately despite my best efforts has seen his dad in some states. He is not supportive and is very jekyll and Hyde it’s like his way or no way. At Xmas he lost his grandma and while at the wake I became very ill and ended up in the hospital and despite my best effort to get him to come with me he ended up shouting and balling at me and stayed in the pub while I was laid in a hospital bed. I have had countless argument with not just him but his family members who are all like him and he has never stood by me i have had to fight my corner. I love this man but as times gone on I realise it isn’t normal how he acts and he has killed a lot of love I have for him I want there to be a future for us and our family but I don’t no where to turn anymore I can see my life been like this forever as he changes for a couple of weeks and then changes back to his old self. I no I have let him get away with a lot but I’ve mostly done it for my son I don’t feel he will have much of a future with his dad without me. My partner had a bit of a crappy childhood and feel it has caused a lot of issues in his adulthood. We never talk about our feelings or relationship as I think he is embarrassed about his actions n the past he gets angry and shuts down so I never feel anything is resolved. I feel lost.
Aimee there is nothing about this relationship that is normal. I can hear what a beautiful, strong, open heart you have and this man has trampled on it. I understand that he may have his own pain that contributes to his behaviour, but none of that pain makes it okay to treat you and your son the way he is treating you both. None of this means that you can’t work towards a healthy relationship, but it will take a strong and honest commitment from your partner to work on his relationship with alcohol, if that is where you see a lot of the problems coming from. The choice seems to be a clear one – he can have you and your son and stop drinking, or he can keep drinking and lose you and your son.
The fact that you miss him when he isn’t there isn’t necessarily a sign of love, but a sign of habit. Relationships are addictive and when you leave those relationships, the effect on the brain and the body is like withdrawal from a drug. This article will explain that https://www.heysigmund.com/your-body-during-a-breakup/. That is not to say that you don’t feel love for him, but those feelings of love don’t make the loneliness and pain worthwhile – for you or your son.
As the relationship is at the moment, and what it is doing to you, it sounds as though it is not a healthy environment for your son. Your little man is relying on you as his mother to keep him safe, and free from having to witness unecessarily awful things.
Please Aimee, believe that you and your son deserve better, because you do. That doesn’t mean that you can’t get this with your partner. What it means is that you have to expect it, and act as though you deserve it. Your partner will live up to your expectations or down to them. It won’t be easy for your partner to change as it will probably invove him dealing with a lot of his own pain, but if he wants you and his son enough, he will find a way. You and your son are worth fighting for.
Dear Tina,
Do know that letting go is hard. You are worth so very much. However, you must realize it. That woman he was first married to feels she got a prize because she probably attract toxic men and he may not been as bad as the others she had through the years. You were with him for 38 years. You are full aware of what she is getting. keep that at the fore front of your mind……and than pray for his new wife that she does not have to deal with all the hurt disappointment and pain he caused you. Accept the truth of who he is…….and begin to thank GOD each day that you no longer have to deal with his toxic behavior. If you start each day by stating the truth and praying for his new wife, you will eventually feel so much better. LET GOD’S TRUTH SET YOU FREE!
I’ve dated a man for 3 or 4 months in the course of 7 years now. He would always come and go, i haven’t seen him for 2 years now and i’m still suffering. Last time he broke up with me because he is religious and i am not. 9 months ago he sended me a message after 2 years of not hearing from him, and he said he was sorry and realise that was stupid what he did to me, he told me that he changed. So i decided to give him another change and then he said he didn’t want me back because he would hurt me again. He told me he’s not suffering anymore but whishes that someday we can get married or be friends. I struggle to understand what he means and why he keeps coming back for me. Now he’s dating a girl from church, that happened only 1 month after we talked last.
I am in a toxic marriage and it’s hard to admit this. I am often told that I am too sensitive, that I just need to “get over” his emotional affair because they were “just friends”. I find I am building A LOT of resentment and I can’t flush it out because when I try to work through issues I am often met with “This isn’t a good time to talk” or “okay, what are we going to fight about now” kinds of comments. So real issues and hurts that I experience are swept under the rug and I am afraid to bring them up because it just doesn’t feel worth the fight. And I know this is how the controller wants it….Again I am just really getting angry and resentful! I feel so sad and unfulfilled most the time, and my partner approaches it as “they are your feelings, not my problem”
I also want to have a child … but now with him I am not so sure, but I am 35 and scared I am running out of time.
I think I know what I need to do but this is hard and scary.
You have jumped over the first hurdle and by admitting you have an issue with your husband…and recognize the fact he is indeed a toxic individual. Leave, live your life. Realize if it does become too late to have a child naturally by the time you find that man of your dreams than consider other options like adoption or foster care. So many kids need love. Most importantly, you need love. Staying in a toxic relationship will not provide you any and will only give the child you have in it no stability. Love yourself, allow GOD to love you. Just walk away. Don’t make any fun fair. Don’t tell him, be like Nike, JUST DO IT!
Hi Tina, change is hard and scary and confusing and messy and it takes a lot of courage to do this. You think of what you are losing after being together for so long. Think about what you will gain. Focus on what the future can bring you. I lost a relationship that I had for most of my life and with that relationship there was others that fell by the way. It was very difficult and has taken a couple of years to really get back on track. But I found new interests, new friends. It was really rebuilding my life again. It was something that I needed to do for ME, for my sanity, for my peace of mind. I read lots of books to help me understand the issues involved and that helped as well. I wish you good luck.
I had been married to a toxic man for 38 years. He drank and at the end he did drugs. Run with woman and made me feel like it was my fault. I loved him with all my heart but had lost respect for him. We have been divorced six years now and he just remarried his first wife and I was hurt because we had been married longer than there first 1 year. Why can I not move on I do not like the way I feel
Tina relationships become a habit. This is healthy and normal and it’s what makes us fight for the relationship during the hard times, which are inevitable in any relationship. In healthy relationships, this is a good thing but in unhealthy relationships, the attachment can be more to the relationship than to the person in it. Leaving a relationship activates the same areas of the brain as withdrawal from a drug – it’s an awful thing to go through. This will explain more about that https://www.heysigmund.com/your-body-during-a-breakup/. Six years is a long time to be still hurting. It may be that you need extra support, and therapy can help with this. It is also really important that you start to shift your focus to things other than the pain this breakup has caused you. I know how hard this is, and at first, it will feel as though you’re faking it. This is completely okay – keep going and in time it will become real. Spend time with people who care about you, find other interests, preferably ones with other people, exercise, even if it’s a 30 minute walk each day (to get the feel-good chemicals in your brain doing their job). Keep moving forward – this man has done you a favour by getting out of your life. Now you need to clear the path emotionally so something better can find you.
I dated a guy for 5 years. I met him through a mutual friend. He’s been to jail 3 times over the course of our relationship. This last time was 2 and a half years. I found out that he had another girlfriend on the side. She would call my phone from different numbers and everything. His excuse would always be that she’s paying for the lawyer or she’s paying for this cell for him to use. He gets out and he’s living with her. She breaks my iPad, Keyes my car and then of course I’m upset that she did that, so I go to his house and she’s there. He dragges me or of his house and then told me leave him alone: I found out that she’s pregnant and he proposed to her all the while denying it when she sent an email to my phone. It hurts so bad. He proposed to her so obviously I wasn’t nothing, it was something for him to use until he was ready to leave me alone. He’s going to be everything for new child and his fiancée. I went on her page and she’s talking about how she’s a wife, a mommy and she loves her life and family while I’m sitting here crying every night.
This man has done you a favour by getting out of your life! Don’t let him back in. He has shown you that he is unable to give you the love you deserve. Find your strength in the pain he has caused you, and move forward without him. There is a better life waiting for you.
The person who I’ve allowed to break me is still in my life. He was the one who actually broke it off almost a year ago, after 5.5 years of pure hell. We still hang out as friends but he knows how I feel about him, I have told him to stop hurting me. He never admitted it to anyone but maybe once or twice that I was his girlfriend, never introduced me to people when we rarely went somewhere, I’d just stand behind him like a lost puppy and wait. I still catch him in lies ALL THE TIME. He always made me feel I’m crazy, as if I was creating these lies in my head. I have always suffered anxiety and depression and of course since him it has progressed tremendously. He tells me he is somewhere and multiple times I find out he isn’t there. He told me he was at home years ago (we were still together) and his car wasn’t there. When he called me, finally late at night, he made his voice sound all sleepy and said “what!? I told you I’m trying to sleep!” I asked “sleeping at home or where?” He said “home” I told him I was there and his car was gone. He still insisted it was parked in the yard as I was looking right at the yard. I asked him to come outside then and he said “No!” Then hung up the phone and called me 9 hours later and just acted like nothing had happened, and when I asked what he had been doing he said “riding around” and didn’t want to tell me because I’d worry, which is ridiculous. I worried the 9 hours after he hung up on me. He tells me he is somewhere doing this and that and can NEVER respond to me at all through even a text but when he is around me he is glued to his phone. I lost 3 people all 2 months apart one died from kidney failure, one died from being hit by a truck, and the other a car accident. Then he broke up with me but is still around when it’s convenient (I feel like) then my dog passed away of 10 years which broke my heart and the only other friend I really had just stopped talking to me for months and now just comes around when it’s convenient for them. So the point of all this description is that I am afraid to completely cut him out of my life. I don’t want to be alone. I don’t have friends and it’s hard to make new ones because I don’t trust anyone. I lost 2 friends because of him and their own choices as well, but they were doing things behind my back. I don’t have enough space to even write the worst parts of this man but I am drowning in fear, loneliness, and I have been so let down so many times in the past 6 years that I don’t even know how to start clean or fresh, I trust no one and fear because of my trust issues I won’t allow anyone in. I have met people but I always disappear quickly because I don’t want to give people a chance to be involved in my life. I don’t want people to destroy me even more. I use to be very sociable and can be at times, but mostly I just stay secluded. The fears I’ve developed from this trama (and other situations) has sucked the life from me. It’s like he is all I have as far as a friend and I love him so much. I know he won’t change. How in 5.5 years someone “doesn’t know” what they want. When he broke up with me I asked “so it’s just over, and you don’t want me anymore?” He said “well I don’t know, I just have to focus on other things and I don’t have time for a relationship.” He claimed all this school he needs to focus on but he hasn’t done anything with school yet. I feel like he deprives me and then puts enough in his hand for me to chase. It’s as though he enjoys seeing me this upset over him. Anyway…I guess my point and inquiry is I am scared to let him go, and don’t know how. I am scared to be alone. I don’t like to be alone and I have no good friends to really be with and turn to when I struggle, I believe the one friend I do have is rather toxic as well, it’s seems as though I am only good for them when they need or want something but my needs and wants are never tended too. I am seeking therapy which hopefully will help. If you have any advice or if there is someone who has had a similar situation and has overcome I would love your advice, opinion, and/or help. People like my ex do not see the actual damage they do to someone’s spirit and mind. It’s very sad. I am thankful I am not that person though. That’s one thing to be grateful for!
This relationship sounds like a lonely place to be. It is scary leaving a relationship, but what you’re giving up is a habit that has been hurting you, not a love that has supported you. As long as this man is in your life, you will not find the love you deserve. There will be a relationship that can be more loving, more supportive, more gentle and kind but first you will have to let go of this one so something better can find you. You can do this. You are strong and you will get through. If you don’t believe this, look at what you have been through already.
This article is perfectly comforting. I have been involved with a toxic person for 4 years. We were not always in a boyfriend/ girlfriend situation but never platonic. I’ve cut him off several times but have always left space for him and have always given him an opportunity to present himself and his claims of being improved. He always comes back with sweetness and I always end up having to walk away. He is liar and very manipulative. I am always left feeling hurt and inadequate. He also has a drinking problem. However, we had a great connection and deep intimacy. I called him out on his BS at every turn – tried to make him, guide him to the man he said he always wanted to be. Just in the last week, I had to cut him off – and it will be for the last time. He lied to me when there was no need. He pulled me back into his life when I was enjoying peace of mind – by keeping my distance from him. I allowed myself to get pulled in, because I retained a sliver of hope. Now that is shattered – forever. He made a fool of me by professing eternal love to me, inviting me back to his place twice (which I declined), being affectionate, but he has a girlfriend who was 11 yrs his junior, 15 years mine. I have always told him I didn’t want to be friends, especially if he had someone in his life. He glossed over this completely. I have no other option but to end the pattern that I understand will never change. However, I get stuck on the thought that he will be different, be the man he says, for this new person. And it hurts. But I decided I never wanted to feel the pain, the anxiety, the anger, the complete loss of hope and inadequacy he makes me feel. I have been looking daily for words that remind me of why I made this choice and needed to make this choice; words that would let me work through the pain. This all made sense, the use of manipulation to keep a person and situation within their control. He knows I care for him deeply and plays on that all the time. Our relationship has never been equal; it was always meeting keeping it up, working to make it better. Slowly I have reduced and stopped immediately. I learned to treat him with skepticism which kept me from cheating on his girlfriend with sex – we did do some kissing but nothing more. So I thank you for these words. I will read them daily like a ritual until I can get passed the pain.
Unfortunately they never change. For me no contact was the only way to go…and this was a family member. No Facebook, no mobile phone, no emails. All blocked. I finally realised I had to let go and get on with my life. Very difficult as there were family members who didn’t understand or did not want to understand the dynamics of the relationship. Good luck!
One of the most concise, yet beautiful articles I ever read. And it came in the just the nick of time
Thanks Dee. I’m pleased it found you when it did. I hope it’s able to give you what you need.
Thanks again Karen for this great article. I may have read it before but it is a great reminder for those going through this difficult time. I have made a decision to have no contact with a family member. Over the past few years there has been spasmodic contact and even attempts at reconciliation but it always ends up the same way. There has been pressure from family members to “forgive and forget” just to keep the peace but it just does not make me happy. I know that I have grown in the past 2 or 3 years and I have even sent articles regarding boundaries etc to my sibling but these have just been met with a “whatever”. Your article describes so accurately the journey I am travelling. Thanks again. It just gives me confirmation that I am on the right path.
Hi Sue,
I am in exactly the same position as you. Your words sound very familiar and your situation sounds a lot like mine. Although I have not sent any articles of “hints” to them- they would only fall on deaf ears anyway as it is never their fault. There is a lot of pressure to “forgive and forget”from other members of my immediate family as well- but this article always reminds me of what is truly important. It is so sad and unfortunate that we have to suffer under these toxic people and that there are many of us out there. But comfort comes from the support of healthy relationships and also knowing that we are not alone.
Thanks Lisa. We are definitely not alone that’s for sure. This behaviour has been going on for decades. There were no strong boundaries within the family unit and lots of expectations of how the family members should behave. There was lots of shame as well. But on a positive note I’ve done heaps of reading on these issues which has helped me tremendously. I’ve also got new friends and new interests outside the family unit which I really cherish. Also blogs such as this really help.
It’s getting really difficult for me now. I have decided to part way from my two “friends” eventhough they are the only friends i have! Reading your article reinforce my feeling that i should leave them.
We used to get along pretty well.
A is really self-centered and immature. And like to provoke people just so she can feel she is in control.
Everytime we’d have a man around she’d question my sexual life (i suffered sexual abuse starting from my childhood and all throughout my life, and she knows it). And she played a dirty game with me at a party. She watched me dancing with a boy she knew, usually she’d come in between just because she care about me, to make i’m safe. This night, she looked intensely, but no words, until we left, after reporting all she saw, she revealed me things about him that, would i have known, would prevent me from going near him.
He, she said, was underrage. It turned out false.
I didn’t talk to her for a while.
I confronted her and she said she didn’t want to bother me, that she was really bad in maths so she thought he was underrage.
B is a happy-go lucky. But she just left her boyfriend of 10 years. And she was really wild about men, lot of dates, especially lot of sex.
I loved her, as a dear friend.
She introduced me to a male friend Y and he fell for me at first glance. But both were having a difficult time, and often meeting face to face. So i thought that their relationship might evolve, and i didn’t want to get tangled up in between.
He tried to get closer but i refused, he said he would wait. But soon after, he talked to me.
He said that he really liked me, really, but he now has a girlfriend and nothing could happen between us. he looked sad. I asked why. His reply: there is this girl, things happened, it’s not serious, it’s complicated, but i don’t want to mess it ; and there is you, whom i really wanted to get closer and i won’t be able to.
I told him he was a jerk and to leave me out of this.
He did not name her but i knew.
Yet she’d met many men and everytime he’d see me, he would make it obvious that he had feelings for me. He said he wished he met me earlier.
I thought they were just friends with benefits.
They had that secret affair for quite some time. She told me about him without revealing his name. And he had to move out. Did i say that A continuously played her dirty games, even after i told her that nothing would happen with this guy.
So i endured it all, until i couldn’t anymore, besides they would hide in corners not far from me.
I tried to talk with him, but i didn’t want to be the one to expose them and he would not tell me.
So B told me everything.
She said she rejected him many times because she knew i liked him. She felt bad that he was not interrested in me, she told her friends that i was clingy towards him despite his rejection.
It happened and at some point she fell in love, they were in love. They hid so i wouldn’t suffer ( a good reason to refuse to define their relationship).
She was happy that i didn’t take that badly, and that they now could express their love openly.
Since, it’s going downhill.
I met him right before he left, but we didn’t get to talk, he seemed embarassed in front of me.
She traveled to meet him, but their love didn’t last long.
Truth, they never talked about their feelings, she deluded herself into thinking he loved her.
My ” friends” A and B both messed up with me, it got them closer ( they understand each other, and they feel so bad about me!!!) while i drifted apart from them. None of them expressed sympathy when i told them i was having a hard time. They both said the magic word “sorry”, that i’m really important for them.
Yet they pressured me into going out, having sex. Of course, i refused. They said i’m too mysterious, so they want to know everything about me. They have a lot of admiration for me!!
When people refuse to take their responsabilities, they put the blame onto someone else. There is always someone responsible.
Lately, they complained about their bad luck. They accused me of witchcraft, i supposedly cast a spell on them, but it’s just a joke, of course!!!!!!
I won’t let them play witch hunt!!
Truly made me think again. Im in a relationship where im constantly accused of being cheating when i was the one who caught him cheating few times with his so called female friends from school. As soon as i leave the town or go for a trip with my friends he makes suspicious move saying hes in a movie theatre( he never goes out for movie with me) or phone is on silence ( he always picks up his call from other people within two rings) thay it mentally drove me crazy. Every time i ask him where or what or who is he with, i get yelled at for being paranoid or too jealous. I had to ask myself for last couple years if its really me whos crazy. But now im thinking that he might be toxic to me. how he changed me to weak, immature and no self respect to myself.
They outnumber us. Why are there so many of them now?
I don’t know that there’s more, but perhaps the ones you know stand out. Sometimes it’s easier to notice those with tiny, cold hearts because their impact is so massive, compared to those with warm open generous hearts. Toxic people will often go out of their way to hurt you, whereas the rest of us tend to get on with things without intruding or doing damage.
Thank you for this really helpful article. I am going through this having just disconnected from a toxic sister. I find it so difficult to believe my worth after decades of her behaviour but I will keep trying to move forward without her making me miserable when I am already vulnerable. Good luck to her but good luck to me too
You’re so welcome. Keep moving forward. You sound strong and clear – you’ve got this.